Ep 207. - The Illusion of Solidarity: Gaza and the Arab Regimes with Sami Hamdi
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The struggle for Gaza is not over. For over fifteen months, Israel's Western backers told us that there was no genocide taking place. Now, President Trump confirms that the Israelis have turned it into rubble. His plan, ludicrous as it sounds, is to displace Gaza’s population to surrounding countries and colonize it for America, and presumably Israel.
This plan has been roundly rejected by Palestinian voices and regional governments, including, with some gusto, the Saudis. At the time of recording, the ceasefire is in flux, as Hamas points out Israel's lack of commitment. Trump declares that there will be hell to pay if Israel does not commit to releasing the so-called hostages. Are we about to see Gaza—and maybe even the region—go up in flames once again? In these confusing times, we once again have political analyst Sami Hamdi back on the show.
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Introduction
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to our surprise the Saudis have have used some very forceful language gave an interview to Taka
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Carlson just last week where he says that we have no problem with Israel destroying Hamas
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Trump is saying publicly what the Saudis wanted to keep private I think that bin Salman has the
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power to stop Trump in his track bin Salman is more in a panic at having being outed than he is
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about Trump's actual plan we've invited Niki Minaj she turned us down unfortunately so we had to set
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for old school Mariah Carey what Trump is trying is what Biden tried I have no doubt
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that the Palestinians will be able to ruin all of Trump's plans just as they ruined Biden's plans where Elon Musk finds all this wasted money in the government and people are
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waiting to receive it but instead he carries it to the Israelis if its elections are producing a choice between a fascist and a genocider we cannot keep choosing the lesser of two
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evils the struggle for Gaza is not over for over 50 15 months Israel's Western backers
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told us that there was no genocide taking place now president Trump confirms that the Israelis
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have turned it into Rubble his plan ludicrous as it sounds to displace gaza's population to
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surrounding countries and colonize it for America and presumably Israel has been roundly rejected
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by Palestinian voices and Regional governments including with some Gusto the Saudis at the time
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of recording the ceasefire is in flux as Hamas points out Israel's lack of commitment and Trump
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declares that there will be held to pay if he does not commit to releasing the so-called hostages so
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are we about to see Gaza and even maybe the region go up in Flames once again in these confusing
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times we once again have political analyst Sami Hy back on the show now can I stress in order to
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support this Channel please subscribe on YouTube apple and Spotify the more you engage with our
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content the more we grow inshallah as Ramadan comes up I'm going to inshallah discuss how we
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plan to expand the thinking Muslim with your help and with your contributions now also for the past
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16 months we are we all know how difficult it has been for food and essential supplies to reach the
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beled people of Gaza this inshallah is changing so we have partnered up with a charity B Mal because
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now more than ever there is a need not only in Gaza but also in Syria and in all the places that
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we talk routinely about in this program where our umah is subject to abject poverty we have chosen
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this charity because Baal is a nonprofit with people on the ground who organize well fought
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and gives Baraka to our wealth Sam and welcome back to the thinking Muslims well for joining us
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once again um Samy have the Muslim rulers gained a backbone I mean president Trump has announced that
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he wants to clean Gaza out of Palestinians and turn it into some great real estate project uh
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a middle eastern Riviera and uh to our surprise the Saudis have have used some very forceful
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language over the last few days uh and on Saudi TV we've seen uh show after show um denuncia in
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I suppose Israel and even getting to the point where uh they regard the project of trump to
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be an evil project so something's changing at least in tone have we seen a change for
Arab rulers changed?
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once uh from these uh compliant Muslim rulers I don't think that there's been any material
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change I think that when we look at the actions that are still in play at this moment in time
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it's clear that the objection of the Saudis has nothing to do with Palestinians but rather to do
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with the suggestion that Saudi might have to take in those Palestinians what I mean is when you look
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at Saudi media throughout the genocide that took place there was a glaring absence of any sympathy
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for the Palestinians Saudi media very aggressively suggested that it was the Palestinians fault
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that this genocide was taking place because Palestinians are quote ungrateful there were imams
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who were giving lessons in the mosques asserting that there was nothing necessarily wrong with the
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Israeli presence in Palestine and that rather the Palestinians should learn to accept that we
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saw for example interviews with uh officials from the Palestinian factions who received a
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more tougher grilling from Saudi media which one would expect to have been more sympathetic than
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they would have got from PE Morgan or from some of these other channels elsewhere we saw that on the day that Israel began their ground offensive in Gaza itself and many have said that Saudi
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please take a more principal tone with regards to what's happening in Gaza the demand was not Saudi
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do something to stop it the demand was Sai you are being a bit tonee Riyad season should not be going
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on while the Palestinians are being slaughtered Shakira should not dance on the stage while the
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Palestinians are being slaughtered we should not be inviting Jennifer Lopez to come and perform
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while the Palestinians are being slau slaughtered we should not erect a model that looks like a
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Kaa and have dancers dance around it while Palestinians are being slaughtered when Saudi
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was requested during the genocide please alter the tone at least so that we can show some solidarity
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with the Palestinians tury Al the head of the general entertainment Authority bin Salman's
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right hand man in division 20130 reforms responded on Facebook and said that what we are doing in
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Saudi Arabia we should not stop it just because of some political event because no one else in the
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world does that and 3 weeks later when the Amir of Kuwait died turkey Al would cancel the events
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for three days in solidarity with Kuwait implying that he recognized that he should change the tone
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but believ that Palestine was not worth it when you look at what's been coming out in the leaks from those officials who traveled with blinkin to Saudi Arabia they have been stating quite frankly
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that the Saudis have been reassuring the Americans that we want to see hamus wiped out we don't mind
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what Israel is doing in terms of destroying hamus we sawal Prince B tal one of those that
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bin Salman put in the Ritz and squeezed him into submission and got him to give up a lot of money
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and the like gave an interview to Taka kson just last week where he says that we have no problem
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with Israel destroying Hamas we want to see them destroyed my point here is that it is clear that
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any shift in the south tone that we're seeing today is not because of genocide nor is it because
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of the prospect of genocide so we can rule that out as the reason for the change in tone I think
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the reason for the change in tone has more to do with the blunt nature with which Trump is talking
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about Palestine and secondly the suggestion by Trump that he wants the Saudis to Bear the
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burden for the Palestinians who are kicked out of Gaza by that what I mean is this muham there were
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reports in political that the Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad bin Salman during the genocide told the Americans I'm not against normalization of ties I want it I want to normalize but if I do it in
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these circumstances quote I will be assassinated by my people when the genocide was unfolding Jared
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Kushner came to Saudi Arabia and he gave a speech a keynote speech in the Davos in the desert Forum
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where he said that the Palestinians are trying to Scupper normalization of ties between Saudi
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Arabia and Israel and they will not succeed and the events of October 7th will not succeed in
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doing this when Gerald kushna went back there was no statement made by Saudi Arabia rebuking
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Jared kushna for suggesting that there would be normalization between Israel and Saudi and that
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they were close and secondly Jared kushna went back to America and said that I felt safer in
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Saudi than I do on University campuses in the US what he meant was no one in Saudi told me
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why you're doing a genocide no one said to me in Saudi what you doing a genocide the point here is the first reason for the change in tone is Trump is saying publicly what the Saudis wanted
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to keep private Netanyahu gave an interview to Fox News two days ago Netanyahu said to the presenter
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the presenter asked him the question you said to me are the Arabs taking a Firm Stance here
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and will this affect your plan he said you would be surprised his words you would be surprised he
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said how many Arab states actually support us but for reasons of their own they can't come
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out and say it publicly and I shouldn't say too much about it because I want to leave them room to deny it amongst their own populations over here Saudi issued its strongest statement after
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Trump made his statement but the reason they issued it is not to say to Trump we're against your plan is to say guys what he's saying is not true guys I swear I'm with the Palestinians guys
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I swear that though my actions are not really with the Palestinians I promise you I'm with them and and I give you another example there are many but I promise I won't go through all of them
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you received many reports I received many reports many people who went to came back with the stories
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as well about how they were clamp Downs on what people wearing kufi people wearing free Palestine
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jumpers where Middle East I reported it new ARA reported other people reported it and there are many anecdotes about it too about how gods in Saudi Arabia would say to people we don't wear
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that here for the first time tury Fel the son of the late King Fel the legendary King of Saudi
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Arabia tury Fel former head of Saudi intelligence gave an interview to CNN to Christian Amur 3 days
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before this recording what is he wearing the kfia he's wearing the Palestinian kfia to try to make
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a statement to say that we are firmly with the Palestinians and we will not accept it right if
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genocide did not force a shift in tone when it was happening in the 15 months and if any the
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what was happening in Palestine didn't stop sopia Vergara Shakira uh Jennifer Lopez and these other
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concerts from taking place in Saudi Arabia then it's clear that the change in tone has nothing to do with Palestine so what's forced the change in tone I think it's the exposing of what the
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Saudis are saying privately to the Americans and the second point is the fear that Trump is going
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to force the Saudis to take in the Palestinians which would confirm their betrayal even amongst
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the loyalist who still remain today who are insisting that Saudi Arabia is sort of you
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know still with the Palestinians or the like bin Salman now fears that he might be steam by Trump
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into taking in the Palestinians and it may well be and this is the point I finish on regard regard to
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this question so I don't go too long about it it may well be that Trump's suggestion that we will own the land and we'll send in troops Trump can't send in troops we'll probably go into that
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later that's for different reasons yeah but it may well be that binman to rescue himself from
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what Netanyahu and Trump are now exposing about him will say let's send an Arab Force instead let
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the UAE Saudi Egypt bahin let these nations let join us too qar is also investing money in kajar
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kush's fund to try to keep the worst of him away from Qatar let's send an Arab force over there and
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we will help to rebuild Gaza and you might be able to invest in these companies too binman recently
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lifted the rules on foreign investment in meca and Medina they a company can't own a building but it
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can now invest foreign companies in companies that are own property in Mecca and Medina he's
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already opened up the doors many people believe that this is more an opening for normalization all the like and and what is worth noting is if binman was serious about the statement let's
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suppose for a second the statement's been made and we've elaborate on some of the reasons you can tell the seriousness of Bin selman's statement in only one case which is that if he accompanied
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the statement with a withdrawal of the two billion that he's donate that he's given to Jared kushna
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that is being invested in the Israeli economy if bman announced that I'm withdrawing the 2 billion from Affinity partners then we know something serious is happening if bin Salman alongside the
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statement came out and said I'm going to now shut my airspace once more to Israeli planes then we
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know that there's action that's accompanying the words we know something serious is about to take place if bin Salman was to say that normalization is now off the table because there's no way we
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can normalize if it's just going to lead to more annexation of territory then we know it's serious but the idea of normalization Still Remains on the table moreover if you notice the Saudi
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media they're attacking Netanyahu for extremism Netanyahu specifically and implying Trump might
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be extremist but the focus of Netanyahu means that there's a limit in terms of the scope of which
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they are going to criticize Israel with regards to what's happening to Palestine the point is all of
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these angles when you look at it and all of these events that took place show you that I think the
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statements bin Salman is making has is directed less at Donald Trump where they're saying Trump
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do what you want to Hamas but we don't want to be the ones who bear the cost for it and it has more to do directed at the Muslim um who are hearing what Trump is saying who if you remember in the
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press conference they said Mr President uh isn't Saudi Arabia saying that they need a Palestinian
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State before they normalize he said no they're not and Netanyahu said this to Bloomberg last year as well Saudi Arabia 4:00 a.m. in the morning they released a statement immediately
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after Trump to say no no it is a requirement bin Salman is not telling Trump that I'm now
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suddenly against normalization he's saying to Trump please man please Biden at least respected
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it about keeping it private although Biden did say in the interview 3 four months before the
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election if you remember he did say that the Saudis uh are actually ready to normalize with
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Israel in the middle of a genocide he said they've given us assurances that they are willing to do so binman is trying to say to you Jal to those who are sitting in this room to the Muslim umah
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that Trump is lying Netanyahu is lying and he's telling Trump and Netanyahu come on guys show some
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respect over here I need to do this carefully I need to do normalization over a longer period my action show that I'm serious about it I need to give my um words I'm giving you the actions
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but show me some respect and it appears Trump is saying to bin Salman I couldn't care less about your image net is saying I couldn't care less about your image you will do what I tell you
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to do you will take in those Palestinians so you don't think that because many analysts have argued that Trump has made it almost impossible at least in the short to medium term for Saudis to sign a
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a normal alization agreement with uh with Israel because of the extreme uh measure of of removing
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uh dispossessing uh Palestinians from their land you don't think that's that's implausible at this
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stage that normalization is now implausible for the Saudis at the time that we're Recording King Abdullah of Jordan is in Washington right now yeah if we assume that this is the position that you've
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suggested over here King abdullah's statement in Washington would have been we categorically
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rule It Out Mr President there's no way this is going to happen and no one in the Arab states is
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going to accept this instead we heard the press conference just before we started yeah he said Mr
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President for this plan to work we need to make it work in a way where it benefits everybody's interest in the region and we need to consult with CCE in Egypt and Muhammad bin Salman is
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inviting us in riy to discuss it and as a gesture I'm willing to take in 2,000 Palestinians you know
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those who might need cancer treat or the like I'm willing to offer that as a gesture while we discuss the nuances or the details of your plan that's not a categorical rejection of what Trump
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is calling with regards to what's happening in Gazza or the like I think that bin Salman has
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the power to stop Trump in his tracks yeah binman has the ability to do it bin Salman is perhaps the
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only one in the region who has the power to do so all he literally has to do is say normalization is
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finished there's no way we're normalizing I'm sorry it's no longer on the table we're going back to King Fel and King fad what they used to say in which we're not normalizing King Fel said
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even if all the Arabs were to recognize Israel w we will not recognize the Israelis he put that statement out but didn't say it himself he put the video clip Up bin Salman could also summon the US
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ambassador as he did with the Canadian Ambassador when she criticized human rights and he could also kick out the US ambassador or if he doesn't want to kick out because he doesn't want to provoke
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Trump he could recall the Saudi Ambassador arim BM he could recall Saudi Ambassador for Washington
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for consultation in a clear diplomatic gesture to say I'm sorry but I'm going to have to start
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you know rolling back on some of the ti none of that is happening he did it to Canada he did it to Germany he did it to he did it to Biden as well on on a couple of occasions not withdrawing the
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Ambassador but giving him the cold shoulder he's done none of that with Donald Trump yeah which leads me to the to to the conclusion that bin Salman is more in a panic at having being outed
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than he is about Trump actual plan and the final point is this the media in Saudi Arabia does not
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speak outside of the government line yeah for to make the statement that he made where he says we
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want to see the destruction of Hamas and to see the Saudis criticize net for extremism but bin
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Salman not showing any action to match the words I think gives Trump reason to believe and I think
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this is why Trump is insisting on it it's why Trump keeps saying you guys think my plan is mad
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but they will follow it they will find a way to accommodate it so I don't think the Saudi position has changed I think that bin Salman needs to show some action first before we can see a
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genuine change in stance but to give a an analogy Biden was committing genocide but saying he was
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working tirely for a ceasefire yeah if we took Biden at his words Biden was deeply sympathetic
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to the Palestinians but it's clear he's genocide J he committed the genocide and that's the thing
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judge by the action don't judge by the words and and and just on this particular Point Allah
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says the idea being is somebody who is fighting Islam at home Beware of the words that they say
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when they are talking about defending Islam abroad Muhammad bman is cracking down on Scholars you had
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you hadd son of on your channel as well imams being imprisoned and being banned from giving
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lessons and durus restrictions being imposed on the manifestation of Islamic identity and
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and things like that the revising of the Saudi identity that he spoke with ABD yeah somebody
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who is trying to prevent the remembrance of Allah at home it's hard to imagine he will remember Allah in festine and take a position there as well so I think we should be careful
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in terms of how we move with that so we know that these rulers do not fear Allah subhana wa ta'ala but from what you say they do genuinely fear their people I mean how accurate is that
Do rulers fear their people?
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because of course and it's a question I asked abdulah AA um you know these authoritarians have
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Consolidated their position they've centralized power they're at a stage where there are very few
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leevers of opposition in their countries I mean how realistic is it that MBS would be ousted by
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people who are angered by Palestine or about Palestine I think it's less about whether we
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can identify where the threat is and more that bin selman's actions demonstrate he believes there is
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a threat somewhere and I explain what I mean when the uee normalized ties with the Israelis sudas went into the Haram on the following week and gave a specifically about deals that the
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prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam made with the Jews of Medina the point he was making was there's nothing wrong with normalization of ties with the Israel it was testing the water
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when there was a backlash to it they Ted it down a bit but you could see Palestine begin to become absent from the prayers and supplications and Dua that was being made in the Haram yeah when October
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7th happened immediately there was a return of Palestine in the supplication theam the point was Muhammad realized this was an event that the Arabs were suddenly being galvanized about that
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they were seeing that the Palestinians now were pushing back against normalization of ties this was their view of it so bin Salman was worried it might lead to a spotlight on his action so
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he allowed the imams to go back to making Dua for Palestine but not Dua against the zionists
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then as time progressed initially there was clamped down with the kuf and the like and then Middle East eye exploded and other people exposed it and then he started tackling if you
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had a British or American passport you'd be let go if you had a Bengali Pakistani you'd be in in trouble or or Egyptian or Algerian so the desis don't think it North Africans
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are included in it but in any case Muhammad bin Salman begins to say crack down on it but
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begin to give some leeway to avoid the public backlash yeah eventually public opinion gets so
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high in terms of its fever pitch that the Imam start making Dua not only for Palestine but now
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against the zionists and now in the Haram just last week there was Dua very open Brazen you know
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Dua not just against the Zionist but against the whole ideology and those who follow it completely in the Haram itself something that was disappeared two three years ago before the events took place
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it's not that I'm saying I know where the threat comes from it's that bin Salman allowing this to happen demonstrates he believes there is a threat he believes that he has to adapt to something
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there is something out there that requires him to go to the imams and tell them guys I know I was
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putting you in prison for making Dua for such and such you can go back to making Dua for it so these imams like s days they act as some sort of vent the frustrations of the masses sud went
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from saying that don't talk about because it's a and you should obey your Scholars and don't talk
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about it leave it for the leaders to talking about it now in his sermons and in his Dua and the like
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you can only explained the shift as there was an order don't talk about Palestine before there's an order I'm allowing you to talk about for the masses over the past 6 months we've seen a wave
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of releases from prison imams being released from prison by the Saudi Crown Prince Muhammad binman
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in light of events happening in Syria but also in light of events happening in Gaza particularly as the spotlight comes under Saudi Arabia where you have a lot of Palestinian figures in Saudi prisons
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and where you have the accusation that Saudi is not supporting the Palestinians bin Salman is saying to the Israelis I'm letting you fly through my airspace I'm allowing a land bridge that goes
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to bbid where you guys are picking up your goods from Jordan that goes from U toit I am allowing J kushna to come here I'm allowing Zionist to enter the kingdom but I also need to offer something
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to my people just to keep the peace and Biden used to say I appreciate this Biden said this is perfectly fine Netanyahu said I appreciate this Nom looks very nice I've come to visit it
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the problem is Trump is now saying you're given you're doing all this anyway let's just come out in the open now and let's just say that you are you want to normalize with the Israelis
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and I think that bin Salman is saying to Trump you don't know my people yes the some of them
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are now dancing in the parties yes some of them are now smoking marijuana at last yes some of
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them are now going and party and taking off the hijab yes some are now belly dancing even in Ana one of the the the most conservative areas in in in Saudi Arabia yes but these are still minority
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of my people majority of my people still believe in this Quran they still believe in this Islamic identity if I go too fast Mr Donald Trump it will cause a backlash against me I need you so Trump
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essentially is effectively saying you do what you got to do for your people I do what I got to do for my people I want these Palestinians out and I need you to take in the Palestinians I think that
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bin Salman's true position is he's saying to Trump let's the plan I'm not going to immediately reject
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it I'm going to reject it publicly but let's work out the details to do it in a way where Jalel does not go out and say I betrayed the Palestinians let's do it in a way whereby blink had the humanit
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Corridor make it humanitarian blink also wanted to Turf the Palestinians on October 20th Biden
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went to Congress and he asked for $ 106 billion in aid for Ukraine for other places amongst them
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was Gaza he Biden said in the report that he gave to Congress I need this money in order
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to help Egypt and Jordan to take in the influx of the Palestinians at that time there was no influx
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of Palestinians into Jordan or Egypt what Biden was diplomatically saying was I want to drive
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out the Palestinians from Gaza but Egypt and Jordan need money to do so I want to bribe them to do it when CeCe said absolutely not as he's doing now by the way with Trump when CeCe said
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absolutely not Biden came out and said okay we won't support the displacement of Palestinians let's just slaughter them instead until CeCe is under so much pressure he has to open that border
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which is why when you ask me I know I got some heat for it when you ask me is CeCe betraying Palestines by shutting the Border I said if he opens that border Israel will eventually conquer
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will eventually enter Sinai Peninsula the point that I'm saying here is it's not that I believe
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bin Salman fears his people per se it's that bin Salman still believes that a threat exists
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that could remove him from power that threat can Channel public opinion through Gazza and
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that his actions on razza are enough to Galvanize the population against him because he seemed to
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be betraying razza betraying the Palestinians and therefore he is reacting to the public opinion to
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say that guys I am actually on the Palestinian team and look at all these things that I'm
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doing now with regards to my media and the like please believe take me at my word and ignore my
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Charity I mean unlike um Biden Donald Trump is willing to withhold military aid to both Egypt and
Trump’s plan realistic?
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Jordan uh how much if if he does follow through on that how persuasive do you think uh Donald Trump
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will be in uh in convincing these countries to um uh to take in uh two million gazans us gives
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Egypt $1.3 billion in Aid which in the context of international countries is is not really that much
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1.3 Bill the Americans every year raise about more than 1 billion in zakat alone if the issue
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is 1.3 billion CCE can ask the um to raise 1.3 billion for him to replace the American Aid I
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think when Trump talks about Aid I think it's less to do with money and I think it's more to do with
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the support for the regimes against people against the people who do not want these regimes in place
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the idea being that you are in power we know you're unpopular he once called CeCe my favorite dictator we know you're not popular but we see value in you and we're willing to support you
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against your people so that you remain in power it's like the whole notion of uh when a coup
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happened against the the Americans were very quick to say we are monitoring the situation
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then recognizing CCE whereas in other places they're very quick to try to reverse the coup but the point that I'm saying is that I think that what he means by Aid is it's very similar to when
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Trump said about Saudi Arabia if you remember in his first term he said I called the king of Saudi
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Arabia and I said to him listen King you're a good man and I like you but without us your kingdom
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will fall in two weeks Iran will take you in two weeks so I'm sorry uh but I'm going to need you
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to start paying up I'm sorry you got to pay you got to pay and the and the audience were cheering that is a very good indication into how Trump views these Middle Eastern governments I know you
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guys are coming to the Israelis because you need Israel against your own population and against other Regional threats I know that when you come to America you're coming because you don't have
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popular support you need my support against your own people I know you don't have a leg to stand
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on in order to resist me and therefore you need my Aid this is what I think Trump meant when it came to the idea of Aid that if you don't do what I want you to do I'm more than happy to see you
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and throw you to your people and and and see what they do to you instead and then find somebody else to replace you instead which I think why CC is now allowing protests to be Pro Palestinian protests
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near the border to sort of suggest no my people are actually with me America you have it the wrong way my people actually love me and they support me so I think that although Trump is threatening that
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he's going to cut Aid Trump threatened tariffs on Canada and then found an agreement to reverse it
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Trump threatened tariffs on Venezuela found an agreement to reverse it same with Colombia he's now engaged in negotiations with the Europeans about the same it may well be Trump is upping the
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anti and then he comes to some sort of agreement with those Arab states l later Sami earlier on you mentioned Javid kushner's uh fund like what's the relevance of that fund explain explain why you
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mentioned ja jar kushna I would recommend people to watch the episode you did with ABD where he
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talks about the first meeting between bin Salman and Jared Kushner and we don't need to repeat many
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of those details here however Jared Kushner during the first term of trump was seen as the gateway
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to Donald Trump the gateway to the White House and him and Bin Salman developed a very close
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relationship Geral Kush appears to have understood bin Salman's position in that bin Salman wants to
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normalize but has to normalize in the right circumstances to prevent a backlash from the
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Muslim world as a result for bin Salman in order to prove that it wasn't just words when he said I
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want to normalize because Jared kushna might have said to him UAE normalized they didn't give a damn
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about the opinion of the umah Morocco normalized and just yesterday they signed the agreement with
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elit systems to be their primary military partner the Israelis are now their Prime military partner
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Jared Kush might have said to binman I don't believe that you're worried about your people you should be strong and imposed in normalization because UAE and Morocco they did it bin Salman as
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a gesture to prove his sincerity in normalization invested $2 billion in Jared kushner's investment
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fund I think it's called Affinity Partners Jared kushna said this exposed this in an interview that
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he gave to K ble with Sky News and jaral Kushner says in the interview that the Saudis have given
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us permission to invest this two billion in the Israeli economy this was binan indirectly saying
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to the Israelis that look I'm getting their slowly and I'm proving it to you the Israeli
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airline before bin Salman would never fly over Saudi airspace it was forbidden the Saudis would
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not allow it so that's why they had to always go around the kingdom bin San allowed them to go through and Jared kusher was on the first plane that flew over Saudi Arabia and he tweeted
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and said historic moment Saudi have allowed us to fly through the airspace this was Bin Salman saying that I'm not just talk I'm showing you action earlier we talked about palestin when
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you were saying is a genuine change in stance and you were only pointing to a statement here with normalization I'm pointing to action he allowed them to fly through then in the daa rally in 2021
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bin Salman allowed an Israeli team to participate for the first time in the Kingdom allowed them to
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enter with Israeli passports to participate to say I'm not officially normalizing but can
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you see how I'm desensitizing my population to the idea of Israel's participating then at an
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Esports tournament in 2023 they raised the Israeli National Anthem at a rehearsal and then leaked
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it to see what the Saudi reaction would be to the idea of an Israeli team of participating official
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in the Esports tournament which is what binman is pushing with regards to video games and the like a delegation came from Israel went to where they planted a tree and recorded themselves saying
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we are back we we have been allowed back the reason I mentioned Jared kushna is that in the relationship with J kushna Muhammad bin Salman's interactions with kushna had been kushna was blunt
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kushna said I have three priorities to destroy wahabism to normalize with the Israeli State
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and the third one ABD ABD the son of talks about it in more detail but with regards to the first
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two binman responds and says we're way ahead of you in this where we've invited nikim Minaj she
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turned us down unfortunately so we had to set up for old school Mariah Carey we've uh done a bikini
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beach in jeda to break boundaries in terms of what what we're doing and the like we've brought pitol
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and we're doing this Middle East Beast uh our Prophet this is Muhammad bin Salman talking to Jared kushna and this is the scenario that that I imagine our Prophet Muhammad s Al wasallam he
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went through an area which he told his sahab do not settle in this area just pass through
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it quite quickly today this area is called Al Al now is the jewel in the crown of vision 2030 it's
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almost like trolling the Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad s wasallam who said avoid this area for this is where Allah subhana wa tala destroyed the people before you B has made Al has made
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the resorts and the centerpiece of vision 2030 those pictures you see in he thr airport where you see Vision 2030 he's made that the centerpiece he's saying to Jared kushna I don't believe in in
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in a lot of these things that you know and I'm proving it here with the actions over here Jared kushna giving that keynote speech of that D was in the desert Forum two weeks or three weeks after
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October 7th to say that the Palestinians will never succeed in ruing normalization between the Saudis and between there's no way jar kushna says that without believing that bin Salman
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supports it and I think what bin Salman is doing through that is through the actions he's saying to
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the Israelis I'm sincere about normalization in exchange for my three conditions which is you know security support for vision 2030 and nuclear technology Palestinian state is not
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key in this when netan said it openly binman was forced to say Palestinian state is involved in it
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francina Franchesca laqua Franc laa from Bloomberg interviews Netanyahu says you keep talking about
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normalization with the Saudis but they say they won't do as a Palestinian State how will you do it if there's no Palestinian State Netanyahu looks at and says you know they don't bring up Palestinian
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State as much as you think they do like it's really not not not an issue Trump says the same thing at the White House it's not the fact whether they're credible sources or not it's why
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do they not say that about a country like Algeria or these others because they're categoric about their refusal to normalize it means something is being said with regards to pushing normalization
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of TI the relationship with Jared kushna is what is what in my opinion one of the greatest proofs
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that what bin Salman says is not what he does when he says I want a Palestinian State his action show
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otherwise when he say says the kingdom stands with Palestine his action show otherwise and I truly
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believe that the genocide could have been stopped literally in the first week all it required was
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for the Arab countries turkey erdogan is worried about his economy doesn't want to get involved
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all it needed was the Arab countries to summon the US ambassadors recall their ambassadors from
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Washington and scare Biden into believing he's about to see a complete collapse of American
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influence if only one country did it they could sanction that country but you can't sanctioned the whole region they collectively not only refused to do so but lent their media apparatus
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to support the genocide and that's why I think when you look at bin selman's actions there is no similarity between those and between these statements that we're reading and I prefer to
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look at the actions and the statements uh you just mentioned turkey there and of course the comments will be lighten up as you speak because um you've talked about the Arab countries but it
Turkiye responsibility
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seems like You' just let erdogan off the hook uh for his part in in uh in allowing this genocide
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to to uh to take place I mean are you saying that turkey has less of a responsibility because it's
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got a a worsening economic standard I think that the Turks do not see Palestine as their primary
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responsibility when you see those who defend erdogan's policy they come out bluntly and say
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where are you Arabs with regards to Palestine a sort of sense of it shouldn't be our primary
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responsibility you guys should do something first yeah I also think that when you look at the slow
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pace at which erdogan rolled back some of his ties with the Israelis refusing to cancel trade then
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announcing that he's canceling some trade and then losing a mayoral election and then announcing that
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he's going to cut more trade which exposed the extent of the trade that he was still doing with the Israelis and then saying that I can't turn off the gas pipeline that takes AER oil to is
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because it's an international contract even if it goes through my own territory and I think that
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when you look at the way that Ahmed Shar of Syria who was heavily supported by the Turks when he
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was in idlib even if I don't think the Turks you know supported him in going to Damascus I think
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he took them by surprise and they adapted but in any case Ahmed goes to Saudi Arabia for his first
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foreign visit knowing what bin Salman is about and I think that Ahmed went to that visit and you see
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it links with turkey for two reasons or three reasons actually the first reason he wanted
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to go and do you'll remember after the Taliban well when US forces withdrew from Afghanistan
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H I think it was or another official they went to to mekah to the Kaa they took a camera crew
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and they recorded how the um celebrated them and they wanted to really put their chest out with
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this Islamic legitimacy of what they had achieved I think Ahmed wanted to go and make mecah the Kaa
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his first visit to sort of say my Jihad against Bashar Al Assad was a blessed one and I have come
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to thank Allah subhana wa taala for it in order to go to om he had to see Muhammad bin Salman it's impossible not to do so when he meets with Muhammad bin Salman the second reason is to try
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to find what is Muhammad bin Salman's view of what happened in Syria because initially there
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was a suggestion that the Saudis were going to send oil to help the Syrian economy that oil never arrived it's been three month or however many months it is it never arrived I think he
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went to see where does binman lean because M's greatest threat didn't come from the US it came
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from Saudi UAE and I think that Ahmed want say to the Saudis I'm not a threat to you look at ABD I
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don't think whated said so that no one accuses me of it but but the the image that he wants to give
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ABD did a video in the musk where he criticized Saudi UAE he was fine in Syria but when he left
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for Lebanon he was arrested in Lebanon kidnapped put on a plane and sent to UAE on an extradition
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despite the fact being a Turkish Citizen and and the like sent to UAE where according to amnesty there is or according to Human Rights reports there's suggestions that he might be being
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tortured over there I think that Ahmed sh went to say I will not allow Syria to be a place that
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threatens you so you don't need to worry you don't need to conspire against me you don't need to build media channels there to attack me you don't need to build think tanks and Ally with civil
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rights organizations to demand the freedom of women's rights so that will cause me a big issue
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over there I promise I won't harm you and the third reason is what links with turkey which is why I mentioned it Syria needs to be rebuilt one of the first things Syria did was they announced
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a 300% increase in tariffs on Goods coming into Syria the Turks were very upset they said hey they
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shouldn't apply to us ahed removed their tariffs but erdogan has offered to send Turkish companies
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into Syria to rebuild Syria now companies are not going to rebuild Syria for free and
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Syria doesn't have money to pay for those Turkish companies and according to a friend of mine who just came back from Damascus electricity is probably exists for maybe one or two hours a day
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according to his reports where is the money going to come from to pay for the Turkish companies
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us has lifted some sanctions or or their suggest Europe has lifted some sanctions on humanitarian
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Aid and it's not clear what sanctions will be lifted from the US so I think that the tax the
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focus on the economy is such that they have been pushing Damascus to go and reconcile bin Salman
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and the UAE the foreign minister of Syria the new one is now in the UAE today by the way attending
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convention to say these are the guys with the money go and reassure them you will be no threat
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tell them whatever it is they want to hear tell them there will be noan no Muslim Brotherhood
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there will be no assertion of you know exporting this Islamic revolution the way the Iranians did
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and let them give you the money that will pay us so their money can flow into my economy in Turkey
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instead I think that erdogan is so focused on the economy it's affected everything in his foreign policy and that's why I think that when it when when you say are you going soft on erdogan it's
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not that it's that I think that erdogan is quietly praying that all of this just goes away that all
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of this just disappears without him having to take any real meaningful action against the Israelis
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that might jeopardize and and the final point is I know that somebody now is going to write oh look how how he speaks how he spoke about bin Salman look how he speaks about erdogan any cas
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erdogan believes that if he does take a position against Israel on his own without binman if binman
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doesn't do it with him then Trump will impose sanctions on turkey as he did in 2018 and 2019
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when he imposed sanctions on like aluminium and some of these other stuff as well erdogan believes that will be a death blow to the Turkish economy and what will happen is the Turks will
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not say erdogan we are with you you did this for Palestine we are standing with you we Turks cannot
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live without Islam and without the rights of the Palestinians erdogan we are ready to struggle
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with you we are going to tie our stomachs we are going to do like the stories of old you showed us
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ER where erul stands up and says we why are you complaining about refugees for Allah is the one
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who brings the risk you showed us Al aralan where he says Allah we can't live without our flag and
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our Dean says we can't live without the Quran you showed us all this we're going to stand with you
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erdogan doesn't believe Turks will do any of that erdogan believes what the Turks will say is why on Earth would you take a stand for Palestine that brings ruin to our economy
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when the Arabs over there did nothing you should have done nothing to you are a Turkish president
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you are not a Muslim president s me and you know Turkey is everything not um Muhammad only turkey
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you should have behaved we're now going to go to the election polls and we're going to vote for imamu or we're going to vote for somebody else because you weren't politically Savvy we're
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willing to stand for Palestine but not if we have to pay a price for it we're willing to stand for the rights and liberation of Palestine but not if we have to pay a price for it and then what
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will happen is you'll have the nationalists they'll bring up this fabricated Narrative of how Arabs betrayed the Ottomans and betrayed the Turks and the like which is why the Ottomans fell
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and erdogan will find himself out of power then he'll find the Nationalist coming after him and his family accusing them of whatever corruption or the like true or not is irrelevant erdogan
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will suddenly find in his old age where he was in power and all he had to do was keep quiet on Palestine he said something about it and now he's almost going to be put in prison that's
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how erdogan calculates what will happen and that's why I think that when it comes to Turkey it's not
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that I'm soft on Turkey it's that I believe well and truly that erdogan's calculations are that
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the Turks will not stand with me if I stand for Palestine that's not the same as bin Salman if bin
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Salman tomorrow was to kick out the US ambassador withdraw the Saudi ambassador from the US what
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do you think the reaction of the Saudis will be it will be thei F fog it would be What a Mighty
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Crown Prince Allah abbar he's taking a position for Palestine and we are with you yeah Muhammad
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bin Salman don't you worry about it if he was to go further and say I am in imposing sanctions on
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American companies that want to invest in Saudi Arabia the Saudi won't be like the Turk who says why are you ruining my economy the Saudi will say we lived on dates and milk before like mik
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Fel said we are willing to struggle for this even more for Palestine bin Salman does not
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have the same problem that erdogan has in Turkey erdogan is fighting the legacy of atat Bin Salman
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is fighting the legacy of Islam it's the opposite way the opposite battles and that's why the blame
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is put more on bin Salman because he has the power to do something he has the public opinion on his
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side to do it and he also has the umah public on his side to do it but he chooses not to do
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so because he genuinely sees that Palestine is not something that he wants the Saudis to be concerned
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with and the proof of this is when you look at the Reformation of the Saudi identity when you
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look at the change of the year of the founding of the Kingdom from 1744 the year that Muhammad
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ABD wahab and Muhammad Al sign the pack they shake hands they say Will We Fight Together
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for Shar will We Fight Together for Islam they agree and The Story Goes Allah gave them Dominion
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afterwards that's the story they tell King Selman himself when he was governor of RAV he wrote in an
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article in in the newspaper in 2008 which is still on Google you can find it on Google he
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writes the state of Saudi Arabia was not founded on a tribal Endeavor nor was it founded on an IDE
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ology like communism or all the like nor was it founded on a nationalist identity these are
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abd's words he goes it is false and categorically untrue to say that Saudi is a tribal nationalist
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or an ideological identity it is not the Saudi state was founded on the promise to uphold the
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Quran and the Sunnah and that's why Allah gave Dominion to my family who agreed to uphold Quran
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and the Sunnah what this means when you make Quran and sunah your identity it means festini matters it means the umah matters bin Salman is trying to say guys Saudi was not built on this
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the Saudi Ambassador here in London said to say religion played a role in the establishment of Saudi Arabia is false you can find it online he said it to Cham house bin says the date was not
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1744 don't say 1744 it was 1727 when Muhammad Al became the County chief of the of the tribe and
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the interesting thing is and and I'll finish on this point with regards to this my father many years years ago was in a m with Sal the current King and The Story Goes they were in a
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MJ and Salman bdaz says to my father yeah Hashim what do you call a uh a County chief like a like
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a village Chief in Tunisia my dad says uh we call him like he says to him my grandfather Muhammad Al
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was nothing but a in when he became leader of the clan but you see this flag and what's written on
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it because he raised this flag Allah elevated him from a and made him the leader of a state this is
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sald bin Salman is changing that identity and that's why when people compare bin Selman and
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erdogan I think the political considerations are different it's not that I believe what erdogan is doing is right I believe what he's doing is wrong but the reasons why he's doing it wrong
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are different one of the reasons why bin Salman is doing it wrong erdogan I think envisages this idea of Muslim power but believes himself somehow restricted then it's it's it's like the the ad
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age I like to say about erdogan erdogan is a is a Muslim in good times and a Turk in bad times when
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it's good times he's Muslim he spreads it when it's bad times economically it's tury tur with
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binman in good times he is trying to constrain Islam and in bad times he allows the imams to make
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very religious Dua he goes back to Islam in the bad times and that's why I think the comparison between the two I think is valid and I think the the the Dynamics are different for both of them
Trump’s announcement serious?
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let's go back to Donald Trump's announcement uh to occupy in effect or colonize uh Gaza I've got
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a few questions on that firstly um how um how serious do you think he is in this plan because
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there is a an analysis out there that uh like I think you may have intimated before uh like
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with Canada and Mexico and with the European Union you know he starts his negotiations the Arts of of the deal by these maximalist positions and then he negotiates them down
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a little bit uh and comes to a compromise uh but by doing that he forces everyone to
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think uh you know to to to go on high alerts how much do you think Donald Trump is serious
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about this plan to occupy uh GZA I think this is easier if you look at the timeline of events
50:27
Netanyahu flew to Washington last week for a reason the reason he flew to Washington was
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because there was significant concerns in Tel Aviv over what Trump was doing with regards to Gaza the belief in Israel was that if Trump comes to power he will be even more supportive
50:46
than Biden was instead the first thing Trump does is force Netanyahu into a ceasefire and Trump
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forced netan into a ceasefire for two reasons and and these are the reasons that Netanyahu ended up going to Washington to speak with Trump and have a showdown to tell him Trump I need to know what
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on Earth you're doing because I don't think you understand what's going on in Gaza and I need to explain it to you because your actions have deeply upset me you'll remember in the buildup to the
51:15
elections Donald Trump said that the Hamas have to release the hostages before I get to the White
51:22
House or all hell will break loose you remember that statement you all remember the statement
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Trump I think meant it when he said it and then his AIDS delivered the message but then Trump
51:38
soon realized there's a problem he went to the Palestinians and said to them I'm going to give you hell and the Palestinians went would you call this what you call what Biden's done there's no
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way it can you can do anything to us that is worse than what Biden to us there's literally nothing
51:55
here it's a demolition side Biden literally blew the legs of Sidra and left her body hanging and
52:01
was not moved by the image Biden literally kept sending bullets even after he knew that 300 of
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them were shot at Hind and she died surrounded by her family members the corpses of her family members while she pleaded and said my family are dead I don't know what to do when the ambulance
52:16
came in to rescue her the Israelis shot the ambulance and then proceeded to leave her to Die the Palestinians said what could be worse than what happened to HRA Dr Nick mayard I was with him
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the other day he said that when he was in Gaza one of the the children came in and she needed
52:32
her leg straightened because of one of the bombs the impact of it we had to do three- hour surgery
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without anesthesia he said and without painkillers he said I will never forget it from my memory the palestini said what could you do that's worse than that you bummed literally every single Hospital in
52:46
Gaza you told us maasi was a safe space and Biden still bummed the masasi you Biden said
52:51
that we need a humanitarian Corridor he used it just as an excuse to move us out of Northern Gaza and the Israelis tried to occupy Northern Gaza if it was not for the wacka project where the Israeli
53:02
soldiers were being ambushed and killed they would have been able to take Northern Gaza Gaza but they did it tell us Trump you say you're going to bring us hell we swear to you Trump there is nothing you
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can do to us that Biden has not already done so we're not scared about your hell we're not going to release the hostages Trump realized he had a problem because now the Israelis are saying to
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Trump you see we told you these guys don't want peace they don't want to release the hostages
53:26
here's the difference between Biden and Trump Biden ideologically would have said these wretched
53:32
people need to be eradicated Trump the businessman said but I told the whole world that there's going
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to that the hostages are going to be released before I get into power and they went okay so if they won't sign this they sign the ceasefire agreement I'm going to need you to sign it n
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what you mean what you mean I need to sign it net says I'm not going to sign it Trump says I'm not asking you I'm telling you you need to sign the ceasefire agreement so Trump Trump says W sends
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witkoff to Doha and witkoff says to Doha Donald Trump is guaranteeing a ceasefire I just need you
54:04
to go to hamus and tell them that he's ready to force the Israelis do tell Hames hamus says you know what we think Trump might be serious we agree to the deal as it is we're not going to add to it
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whatsoever wiov calls this is reported by the way I'm not making this scenario this is all public
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record wiov calls Netanyahu on the Friday he's in Doha and he says to Netanyahu I'm coming tomorrow
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I need you in the office and you're going to sign the ceasefire deal Netanyahu is like hang on a second why am I the first loser of a trump presidency what on Earth is going on here
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he says to witkoff tomorrow is the Sabbath you now witkoff is a Jew witkoff is Jewish witkoff
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is Jewish he knows the importance of Sabbath according to the media reports wikov says in
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a very vulgar fashion I couldn't give a damn if Sabbath is on the Saturday I'm going to be
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in the office you make sure you're there Netanyahu realizes Trump is serious Biden wasn't Biden would
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say I'm working for a ceasefire but to Netanyahu don't worry you can do what you want Netanyahu realizes Trump is serious Netanyahu turns up in the office and according to an Israeli journalist
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the scenario he gave was Trump effectively Wick cof effectively grabbed netanyahu's arm bent it
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at the back bent Netanyahu over and forced him to sign on the ceas fire agreement not only that
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when Netanyahu thinks okay maybe this might just be a ploy this ceasefire I don't actually need to implement it he suddenly finds that wiov announces that he's going to Gaza so the Israelis say what
55:33
you mean you're going you're going to Gaza because now the qataris and the Turks are getting involved and they're like yes yes you should go you should go you should see the destruction that's taking
55:42
place the Israelis are saying hang on a second Trump now is forced us into a ceasefire we don't want Ben now is squealing Ben is like what's going on why is it all collapsing under Donald Trump but
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he resigns from the government smotri netan has to go to him in the last hour and say I'll find a way
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around it just don't leave my government I'll find a way to convince Trump to go back to the levels of support that Biden was giving us Netanyahu believes that Trump is just doing it for show but
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then he finds out that Trump wants him to withdraw from the narum corridor that suddenly Trump is not
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only imposing a ceasefire Trump is telling him I want the Palestinians to be allowed to return North to Gaza you remember when the Palestinian families were going north you remember there were
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photos and and reports that came out that said that the tanks were not allowing the Palestinians
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to pass the naram corridor they were not allowing them to go through and there were reports they were saying some people were saying it a bit GLE too gleefully for my liking saying you see this
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ceasefire is a joke and it's not going to happen because look he's not allowing the Palestinians to go home I admit when I saw it I thought yeah maybe this ceasefire might be just for sure within two
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days witkoff has gone back to the region and he's told Netanyahu I don't think you understand BB we
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want this ceasefire move your tanks and let the Palestinians go home did you did you not see the
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picture of the Palestinians as they went home under the view of the Israeli tanks who could
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do nothing because the US president always had the power to stop the genocide they just needed to use
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it Trump decided to force Netanyahu to withdraw from the to to step aside and let the families go
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home Netanyahu said okay fine he put a ceasefire he forced me to let the Palestinians go home to
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the north but he hasn't told me to withdraw from the net Corridor so maybe give it a couple of
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weeks I'll go back I'll drive those families out surely this is just for show then Netanyahu is
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told by wiof that President Donald Trump wants you to withdraw from the nerim corridor in accordance
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with the ceasefire terms Netanyahu goes ballistic so do his government and so do the other his other
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cabinet members they're saying we don't understand what is going on here this guy said he was going to give the Palestinians hell he's given us hell instead what on Earth is going on and not only
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that as the hostages are being released and going back to the Israelis in good condition with that whole PR of the videos you know thank you for treating us well and they're going back the
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families of the hostages in Israel itself are now saying hang on a second are you telling me they could have come home back in May which was the same deal and Netanyahu was the one stopping it
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yoav gallan the former Defense Minister wants to rescue His Image in isra Society so he goes behind
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netanyahu's back goes and gives an interview to CNN I think it's CNN where he says I told
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Netanyahu take the deal in May he's the one who refused to take the deal Suddenly netan at home is
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having the families of the hostages saying to him that Netanyahu you could have brought them home in May but you chose not to do so shame on you Netanyahu realizes this is ridiculous Donald Trump
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has gone mad so he calls witkoff he says witkoff did you see the movie that we've prepared about
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what you know Kamas did on October 7th wiov says CE see he goes please just have a look at it it's
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a shorten version wiof watches the video and then calls Donald Trump and says Mr President I think
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you need to see the video Netanyahu says wait a minute if wiof is surprised by the video let me
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get on a plane and let me go see Trump face to face I think I can fix this relationship if I
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go and see Trump face to face so netal gets on a plane last week and he goes to sit with Netanyahu
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and he sent with Trump and Netanyahu says to Donald Trump this is the way the conversation goes
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Trump I don't think you understand the situation this ceasefire really look at what these Hamas
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guys do Trump is hesitant until those pictures of those hostages you know the ones who are GA
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who who are a bit gaunt because all the Israeli bombing and they limited humanitarian Aid and the like so Trump says I'm getting a lot of stick I remember a friend of mine in the US I won't say
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who um a bit close to the Republican Party said that when wiof went to Gaza a huge campaign began
1:00:07
in the party against witkoff if you remember taka Carlson did a did the interview where he said I'll
1:00:14
find the I'll try to find the clip I'll try you should watch it just for yourself where he says I don't believe it have you seen the accusations on witkoff they're calling him uh an an an islamist
1:00:24
in in in secret they're calling him aqar agent they call who was calling him aat agent those
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who were upset at the the zionists were genuinely upset they were upset that wikov and Trump were forcing a ceasefire so when those pictures come out Netanyahu and those in the Republican Party
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the Zionist Lobby they Lobby heavily on Donald Trump and they tell him Mr Trump really I know you think this sear is a good idea but it really isn't a very good idea and Netanyahu has spent the best
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part of a week usually when presidents visit each other they stay one two days max they have their own domestic issues to talk about netan was there for more than 3 days sitting with Donald Trump in
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his ear going around to giving interviews to Fox News going in meeting with Ted Cruz go meeting
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with the Republicans what was Netanyahu doing Netanyahu was going to try to fix a Lobby whose
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influence had been damaged by what had happened in the elections because the second reason Trump
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called for a ceasefire aside from Saving Face when he said I'll give them hell and then realized the
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Palestinians wouldn't Buckle so he forced Netanyahu to buckle so he could say to the world I brought the peace the second reason that he did the ceasefire was Trump knows he won the
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election on the back of the anger that was geared towards Biden for committing the genocide in Gaza
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when Trump gave his winning speech and he said I think that Muslim Americans the Arab Americans
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the African-Americans the Hispanics we have the widest coalitions when he goes to Michigan two or
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three times when he goes and meets with the Muslim Community the Republicans knew that what swung the
1:01:55
election even if many Muslims don't want to admit it the Republicans and Democrats acknowledge now and Republicans knew it what swung the election in those swing States was the vote was the Gaza vote
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was the vote that punished Biden and so the second reason Trump called for a ceasefire was he wanted to say to guys I listened and I've delivered the ceasefire and it's something that wins
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me domestic support at home the third reason that Trump pushed for a ceasefire is within right-wing
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debate itself we've seen shift tuer Carlson you saw the interview that he gave with peer Morgan
1:02:30
where he said he laughed at PE when Pier said that maybe sometimes it's moral to kill women
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and children because it's a war and taka Carson laughs at him how can you see what's happening in
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Gaza and say Israel this is taka Carson 10 years ago no one would ever imagine he'd say those kind of words Candice own has been doing video after video saying we don't want to get involved in
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this Matt Walsh when they cut funding of us Aid Matt Walsh came out and said I've always been an advocate that we should cut Aid to foreign Nations when they goed him underneath and said what about
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Israel he said and Israel too we should cut funding to Israel too Trump believed there were three reasons to put the ceasefire I need to sa face cuz the Palestinians some people might Buckle
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but Palestinians do not they refuse to bend their necks they refused to go to Egypt and Jordan they
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decided to go home instead these Palestinians didn't bow their necks the second reason that Trump called for a ceasefire is he knew that's the reason that the election swung his way in
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those swing States Wisconsin 32,000 votes he won Wisconsin by there are 70,000 Muslims in Wisconsin
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alone add to that non-muslims who are pro Gaza it's clear that if Harris had changed her position
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Wisconsin might have gone the other way in Michigan 880,000 was the difference between Trump and Harris there were 250,000 Muslims in Michigan add to that probably tens of thousands hundreds
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of thousands of non-muslims who are pro Gaza it's safe to say if Harris had gone the other way maybe
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Michigan would have gone the other way Georgia Pennsylvania 120,000 difference in the vote
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we're not talking a million difference 120,000 votes difference between them more than 150,000
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Muslims in both States in Georgia and Pennsylvania add to that the non-muslims who are pro Gaza it's
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safe to say if they had voted for Harris if she changed her position they might have swung
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the other way for swing States Harris wins the election then add on top of that the 7 million votes that disappeared 2020 Biden has 81 million votes 2024 Cala Harris has 74 million votes
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those 7 million who stayed at home like bessim YF like a lot of the African-Americans like a lot of white Americans as well who stayed at home saying I can't vote for a genocide and a fascist all this
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data was available to Trump that's another reason he called for the ceasefire the reason Trump is threatening now to ruin the ceasefire is because Netanyahu went himself personally to Washington
1:04:46
and went and mobilized the Israeli Lobby and went and said to them guys Trump is doing some funky stuff Trump is doing something because he believes there is a power that emerged we
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want Trump to adapt the other way I'm not saying Trump suddenly became Pro Palestinian I'm saying Trump the businessman was adapting to the market trends Trump the businessman was adapting to the
1:05:07
Electoral Market we need to remind him that we are the ones who have the power over here this is why
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no one can say for certain if Trump is genuinely going to break the ceasefire on Saturday or not or
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whether he's giving Netanyahu just some statement over there and tomorrow maybe a Muslim delegation or King Abdullah goes sees Trump or a Muslim delegation and Trump comes out and says the
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Muslims they love me actually you know what I'll give it another chance and the reason I say this is today we're talking about that Trump trump said today or yesterday that uh Saturday is a deadline
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if they don't release all of the hostages Israeli press are reporting that actually if Hames just
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released the three that are expected we won't go back to war a sort of already toning down of that
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statement over there the reason why I say is that when you when it go goes back to the question is Trump serious is Trump really going to dispel the ceasefire or the like I think it's unclear if he
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will but I think your question was about will you occupy Gaza and this is the second strand yeah and
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this is think about it this way what has changed on the ground that makes one believe that Trump
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can achieve what Biden couldn't Biden wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza the proof 20th of October
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he goes to Congress he asks for the billions of dollars to give to Egypt and Jordan in order to get the Palestinians out CC says you can give me all the money in the world I'm not opening
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the Border not because he cares about Palestinians because he's worried the Palestinians cross over and start resisting Israel from Sinai Israel will invade Sinai and take it and it will plunge Egypt
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into war and he can't rely on the Americans to come and help him when Biden found that Egypt and
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Jordan would refuse the money from Congress to take in the Palestinians blinkin came up with a better idea blinkin said let us gather the Palestinians in and force CCE to open the
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Border this way so where Trump says go and take them bluntly blinkin said the same thing but in
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a different language blink said we're going to set up a humanitarian Corridor for Palestinians
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to go from the north to the South and we will make masasi and ra safe zones where is Raf on
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the border with Egypt what happened blinkin set up the humanitarian Corridor the Israelis allowed it
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and thousands of Palestinians they walked from Northern Gaza where did they go Southern Gaza
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what do you call this other than ethnic cleansing and displacement what did the Israelis do once the
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Palestinians moved from the north to the South they went in and they tried to occupy Biden then sent a humanitarian peer so-call humanitarian peer which was supposed to be a Launchpad for American
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soldiers to help the Israelis secure the middle of Gaza to ensure that in the event there was a flare
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up in Northern Gaza Israel would be quick to adapt Biden did what Trump is saying he's going to do
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Trump says I'm going to send in US troops to help the Israelis to occupy Biden didn't say it bluntly
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Biden said I'm going to do a humanitarian peer in order to ensure the safety of the humanitarian
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corridors no difference in the intention at all the only difference is the language when the
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humanitarian peer got blown away by Divine forces let's say got blown away the Israelis went in but
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they realized they had a problem in staying in Northern the casualty death toll of Israeli
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soldiers was rapidly mounting which is why y afghanan wanted the ceasefire deal in may he said
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we were getting reports of more Israeli soldiers being killed killed by who by Palestinians who
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refused to leave it was like playing waca as soon as the ceasefire took place did you see how many
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fighters emerged out into the blue which shows you for all of the bombing they didn't manage to
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remove their fighting capabilities of the forces that are in Gazza itself my point is what Trump is
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trying is what Biden tried there's nothing that Trump is saying that Biden hasn't tried Biden
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tried it Biden tried it aggressively when people say that Biden didn't allow the 2,000 ton bomb to
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be delivered Biden allowed two 1,000 T bombs to be delivered Biden said I won't give you it in one go
1:09:18
I'll give you in two Trump is simply saying I'm going to give you what Biden gave but I give it to you in a different package the point that I'm saying here is your question was is Trump serious
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about occupying if Trump allows the Israelis to enter Gaza again there is nothing to suggest that
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he will get a different outcome from what Biden got which is 15 months of bombing of Gazza with no
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gains for the Israelis more Israelis dying no land being annexed and US soldiers not having the power
1:09:48
to even help them he sent battleships Biden sent battleships to help the Israelis he sent Marines
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to to help the Israelis when Trump says I'm going to send in US troops it's clear that it's not
1:10:01
different from Biden's policy what is going to be done differently nothing but Trump has a different
1:10:07
problem from Biden which makes it even harder for Trump when Biden did it because Trump was
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the other candidate many Democrats were willing to say that Biden is working tirelessly for a
1:10:20
ceasefire even as Biden was sending US troops to help they were willing to turn a blind eye to it Republicans are not willing to turn a blind eye to US troops in Gaza can if Lindsey Graham Lindsey
1:10:32
Graham who said that what's happening in Gaza is a religious war between Israel and Palestine Lindsey
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graah was asked what do you think about Donald Trump's proposal of sending US troops he said he said that's a really bad idea to send US troops to another War really bad idea what is making Lindsey
1:10:48
Graham one of the most ident supporters of the Israelis say it's a bad idea to send US troops
1:10:54
it's a fear of a fear of the US population what is he indicating US population will not tolerate
1:11:01
American casualties in Gaza Candace Owens does a show and she says Mr President I support you when
1:11:07
you go back to two genders male and female I support you in most of what you do but Mr
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President I don't support US soldiers going abroad Matt Walsh Mr President why are we going to send
1:11:18
US soldiers to go abroad Marco Rubio had to come out and tone down Trump's statement and say no no
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it is we're not going to go and occupy we're not going to go and fight we're not going Trump has a unique problem in that his own supporters even those who support Israel are not willing to see
1:11:34
US troops be sent abroad because they believe it will cost them domestically so neither is Trump so
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Trump's suggestion there is nothing to suggest it will achieve any of the Strategic objectives that
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Biden was ideologically held bent on achieving nor does he have the support domestically within
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his own party ranks to do it which is why the following day after announcing that he would send US troops Middle East ey reported and the media reported that he had contacted Saudi qat
1:12:03
and UAE and said why don't we do a different model where you send companies to build the Riviera and
1:12:10
we will invest in the Riviera via your companies this the idea about bin Salman allowing foreign ownership of property in Mecca provided it's a Muslim company that owns it so foreign people
1:12:20
can invest why don't you guys be the vehicles and will'll invest in it suggesting that it may well
1:12:26
be and don't hold me to this but it may well be Trump doesn't want to send troops Trump wants to provoke Saudi UAE Bahrain and Egypt into sending a force there Trump wants to provoke them into
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containing Hamas Trump wants to provoke them into sending the Palestinian Authority and entrenching
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the Palestinian Authority into G itself does that plan resemble a plan that you've heard before it
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does it is blink's plan it's blink's plan when he said we want to establish a peacekeeping force of
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regional powers and we want to establish the Palestinian Authority in Gaza itself the point
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I'm making is there is absolutely no difference whatsoever between what Trump has announced he
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wants to achieve and what Biden tried to achieve in 15 months Oro if Biden didn't achieve it in
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15 months giving every support he could to the Israelis if the Israelis threw everything knowing
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they had full us support and full International impunity and impunity from ICC and icj and us
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would veto every single resolution Israel had all of that support and still could not Annex Gaza
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still could not drive the Palestinians into Egypt still could not drive the Palestinians into Jordan
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what makes anyone think that Trump can do anything differently and here in lies the Crux of the issue
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the ceasefire may fall the ceasefire May collapse but we'll go back to a situation very exactly the
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same as we had under the Biden nothing better nothing worse what happened when Biden had it
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the Palestinians survived in so far as they were able to go back to their home thousands died yes
1:14:06
they didn't survive those Palestinians didn't survive but my point is Israel didn't win and
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neither did Biden and there's nothing to suggest that Trump will win and it may well be that when
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Trump realizes hang on a second I can't send US troops hang on a second the war is continuing
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CeCe is not taking in refugees neither is Jordan h going a second UAE and uh Saudi and bahin are
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not willing to send a peacekeeping force it's hard to imagine Trump continuing the genocide
1:14:38
given that he's not going to win anything from it domestically given the change in public opinion that is taking place amongst the right-wing media itself and I think that's why you see the hysteria
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within Israel itself with regards to netan and why net had to go and see Trump I think there
1:14:53
was a series of Les with regards to Netanyahu in his relationship with Trump Netanyahu has G
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to try to resolve it but it's unclear whether Trump will allow the ceasefire to collapse and even if he if it does it's not clear if he'll give the support that Biden did and even if he
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does there's no suggestion whatsoever that he'll succeed where Biden fail I mean um when I watched
Netanyahu’s Lobbying
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that press conference uh the initial press conference with Netanyahu and uh uh president
1:15:19
trump it it it seemed very clear to me that even Netanyahu was taken by surprise by that
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um decision to clear out to clean out uh Gaza and and you know since then um Donald Trump has just
1:15:32
doubled down on on on that decision you know he was on Fox News as you said uh yesterday and and
1:15:38
today he was on another TV channel where he very clearly stated that um you know we are planning
1:15:45
to take off Gaza he's no no longer calling for American troops but we're planning to colonize
1:15:51
Gaza and we're going to give them a some piece of land somewhere else uh and and they will be happy
1:15:56
according to according to Trump so there seems to be a policy from Donald Trump that is separate to
1:16:02
that of netanyahu's lobbying uh because even Netanyahu said in that press conference this is not what we were asking for we were calling for a Gaza fre of Hamas but this seems like out
1:16:11
of the box thinking and maybe we can we can go along with it so you know Netanyahu wasn't
1:16:17
certainly wasn't lobbying for that extremity of a plan that seems to have come out uh from from
1:16:22
Donald Trump's mouth I think I actually agree with the point that I think that Netanyahu went there to Washington and came back with something that no US president has ever promised him before
1:16:34
he looked shocked by the announcement as well and that's a consensus amongst even American ANS that Netanyahu was taken by surprise and I think even the chief of staff in the white house or of the
1:16:44
of the Armed Forces U told media that the first we heard of this plan was in the press conference
1:16:51
itself that we haven't been told by Donald Trump which suggest it was an off thee C from Mark what
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I will say is if you remember in the first term of Donald Trump he threatened many times that he
1:17:02
would put maximum pressure on Iran and might even go to war with the Iranians when John Bolton said
1:17:07
let's go to war Trump sacked him Trump said I'm going to go and impose full tariffs on Canada
1:17:16
within a week they've come to an agreement this is where people think that perhaps Trump is doing the whole deal making thing let me go high and then people say okay I'll settle for something lower
1:17:24
shop tactic and then accept something lower that might be true but it might be equally true that he means it which is why I prefer to answer the question less from whether Trump means it and
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more can Trump achieve it can Trump actually do it can Trump actually and and the reality
1:17:40
is that I think what the Arabs are trying to impress upon Donald Trump is especially the Saudis is this is an issue that can get bin Salman assassinated this is an issue that
1:17:50
can topple my whole government Jordan is saying this is an issue that can topple my whole Mone
1:17:55
CCE is saying this is an issue that might topple my whole government so you might think in pushing
1:18:01
this that you're coming up with a peace plan but what happens if something like Syria happens where
1:18:06
ID Falls and you now have an entity that comes in that believes ideologically in the eradication of
1:18:13
Israel in other words it may well be that Trump tries and it starts a domino effect and you see
1:18:18
these regimes fall and it causes a catalyst of events whereby suddenly Trump's over support
1:18:25
for Israel is what leads to its destruction the reality is David H wrote a good article in Middle East even if I disagree with some of it where he said that Trump Trump's rhetoric has brought all
1:18:37
of the Arabs into a Firm Stance with regards to Palestine in a way byen never in a way genocide never did yeah why is it bringing them in a Firm Stance it's bringing them in a Firm Stance because
1:18:47
they realize the risk now and existential RIS to their governments that Trump's support for Israel is going to push and that's why your question is does Trump mean it I prefer to answer the question
1:18:57
can Trump achieve it and judging from the way the Palestinians have stood firm I don't think there's any way Trump can achieve it and when you look at the reasons why he withdrew from Afghanistan what
1:19:06
did he say he said we invested so much money so much troops we got nothing out of it when he gets
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nothing out of Gaza after another year of genocide or the like and may Allah protect Gaza and may it
1:19:17
never happen and may Allah always make sure that they're protected I'm not saying that I wish for genocide I'm saying analyzing it politically Israel achieved no strategic aims yav Gallant said
1:19:26
we achieved no strategic aims Biden achieved no strategic aims blinking through the kitchen sink
1:19:31
to try to make genocide humanitarian and still the Palestinians went back to the lands that blink was
1:19:37
hoping that Israel would Annex all of that they didn't achieve anything there's nothing to suggest
1:19:42
that Trump will be able to achieve it and even if some of us perhaps are very worried about what's coming next I have no doubt that the Palestinians will be able to ruin all of Trump's plans just as
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they ruin Biden's plans Samy let's talk about the Arab Lee because of course um the Muslim leaders
1:19:59
as you've said you know they they've betrayed probably certainly have betrayed Gaza but um
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there was a a conversation about the Muslim League coming together and uh and showing a unified front
1:20:12
I think they've got a meeting coming up towards the end of uh this month um how do you assess
1:20:17
sort of the the response of the Muslim League as a as an organization I think that the one who wants
1:20:24
this me meeting urgently is CeCe of Egypt I think that CeCe genuinely believes he's in a real crisis
1:20:30
now primarily because if Trump forces the others to buckle to his plan and if the Gulf States
1:20:37
support him in his plan the first place that the Palestinians go will be Egypt if he's forced to
1:20:42
open the border and the Palestinians come in the Palestinians will resist from inside Egypt Israel will use it as an excuse after it an Nexes Gaza to go into Egypt itself and then it will take Egypt
1:20:53
and then he can't he believes he won't be able to rely on International support on the Americans or the like so cisi wants to get the Arab Le together to say to them guys we're all on this table over
Sisi and Arab League
1:21:02
here I need a guaranteed confirmation that none of you will support this deal the problem however
1:21:08
is for an emergency meeting of this gravity you would expect the meeting to take place tomorrow the day after maybe this week the meeting is scheduled for end of February after Trump's
1:21:17
deadline for when he plans or or when he says that he will no longer support the SE that's the first
1:21:24
point the second point is those who are attending the Arab League amongst them are states that not even a genocide could make them reverse normalization of ties with the Israelis
1:21:34
the UAE has not kicked out the Israeli Ambassador nor has it recalled its ambassador from Tel Aviv
1:21:39
nor has it indicated it's going to reverse normalization of ties nor has it given any indication whatsoever that Israel is no longer a partner in whatever it is that it wants to pursue
1:21:49
in foreign policy on the contrary UAE has doubled down there are reports that those Israeli soldiers
1:21:55
who are fighting or committing genocide in Gaza when they have their break from the fighting they
1:22:00
have their break in Dubai they have their break in UAE cities and where Australia now is demanding
1:22:06
that IDF members declare whether they served in the genocide in Gaza or where other countries are
1:22:13
turning away Israelis who have served in genocide UAE remains an open open door policy for those who
1:22:20
have committed genocide to come and have holiday to take a break from blowing up the heads of kids all the like UAE will be present at the meeting at the Arab League CC will find that bin Z doesn't
1:22:29
automatically reject the plan he has to convince bin Zade and try to push B Zade to convince the plan Morocco has refused to reverse normalization of ties with the Israelis but has doubled down
1:22:39
on it by announcing that it's now made Elbert systems its main defense partner signing I think
1:22:44
a $500 million contract if not more and impr and increasing trade with the Israelis and increasing
1:22:51
ties with the Israelis and in the words of the Israelis doing so on the basis that it wants the Western Sahara and it hopes that Trump can bully Algeria into allowing Morocco to take over the
1:23:02
Western Sahara CeCe will be in a room with these kind of individuals CeCe will be in a room with
1:23:09
the king of bahin the king of bahin who normalized ties with Israel on the orders of Bin Salman bin
1:23:14
Salman we were talking earlier about Jared kushna and how bin Salman put sort of a deposit payment
1:23:20
of normalization to convince Kushner that he wasn't just a man of words I give my um words
1:23:25
but I give you actions Muhammad bin Salman when he told kushna that Saudi can't normalize yet
1:23:31
because of the people it usually it's bahin its foreign policy is often directed by Saudi Arabia
1:23:39
there's been some upheaval in Kuwait as well it seems the uee and Saudi are having their way in Kuwait now Kuwait has lost a lot of its neutral leadership but in any case bahin normalized on the
1:23:49
it was like a deposit I'm going to push bahin into normalizing with it for those who don't understand the Dynamics between Saudi and bahin very I I remember the last time I ever went to Saudi Arabia
1:23:59
many many many years ago uh sh I see it again soon inah the there was a a guide who took me
1:24:08
to a museum he was one of he was working for one of the Ministries so we walked into the king ABD
1:24:13
Museum Ry and I remember there is a I've told the story before maybe way back in raving podcast but
1:24:19
there's no harm in doing it again there there's a picture of King abdulaziz next to the then Amir
1:24:27
of bahin so the guy next to me says to me Samy look at this picture I was a big picture of King
1:24:34
he was a tall and dominating figure so he says to me the guy what do you notice about this picture
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kingd goes no no look carefully what do you notice I see two men sitting next to each
1:24:50
other no look carefully you're supposed to be sharp at this stuff like what do you notice I said tell me what you want me to notice he said notice Amir of bahin sits lower than the king of
1:24:59
Saudi Arabia because we are the big brother in terms of what we do bahin the king of bahin he
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hasn't reversed normalization and if even if he wanted to he could only do so if bin Salman allows him to CCE will sit on a table with bin Zed who absolutely refuses to reverse normalization and
1:25:16
in fact is in favor of the isra Israel's mission to eliminate Hamas you have Morocco which doesn't
1:25:23
really care as long as Western Sahara Israel keeps his promise and bahin Cece wants a strong
1:25:29
Arab stance that can make Trump back down and give up on this idea of Palestinians going into
1:25:35
Egypt in that kind of room it's hard to imagine CeCe getting a very strong position from all of
1:25:42
them when King Abdullah of Jordan says today in the white house with Donald Trump that bin Salman is summoning us to discuss the plan that's not an outright rejection of the plan that's an editing
1:25:52
of the plan Cece's Rel relationship with Saudi and the UAE is one of dependency Saudi UAE pumped
1:25:59
money in order to keep the CC regime afloat when the CC regime was spending on Mega projects CC's
1:26:07
dependency on UAE is such that when the UAE backed militia in Sudan launched its coup in Kum CC
1:26:17
didn't want the militia to win CC's ties were very good with the current government Ben Zed went to
1:26:22
Egypt 3 days before the attempted coup essentially to say to Cece something's about to happen in
1:26:27
Sudan you better stay out of it and as a guarantee himti went and grabbed 80 Egyptian soldiers from
1:26:35
Mari airport in Kum and CeCe could do nothing to get them out he had to wait and he couldn't
1:26:43
lend his support to the Sudanese Army against the militia and then when the UAE finally said to Cece
1:26:48
I'll give you a gift I I'll tell him to release them CeCe had to write a statement to say we thank the UAE for its initiative and for its role in releasing these hostages cc is heavily dependent
1:27:00
on the finances that come Saudi Arabia before has happen tur Hamed and these other commentators were saying we should stop funding CC unless he convinces the Army to start selling its assets
1:27:11
to Saudi Arabia to UAE or at least to start de privatizing the economy instead of army generals
1:27:17
owning it he has to open otherwise we're not going going to give him any money when Egyptian media lambasted Saudi and said like we're Egypt CCE had the Articles removed from Egyptian papers and then
1:27:30
went to visit R to say I'm sorry like please don't take seriously what these people are saying you guys are really good CCE has that thing that he does with in that table CCE has no leverage he's
1:27:42
in a room full of people who are more pro-israel than they are pro Palestine it's hard to imagine
1:27:48
this Arab League achieving anything with regards to taking that Firm Stance that is taking place
1:27:53
and I think that is the tragedy in that I don't think Donald Trump is pursuing this plan because
1:27:58
of Netanyahu alone I think he's pursuing the plan the same reason Biden did when blinkin went to RI
1:28:06
he heard from the Saudis that we don't mind if you go and attack Hamas it's in Woodward's book when he went to UAE they said if it's Hamas go don't worry about us we're with you in this
1:28:16
regard wherever he went in the region aside from Qatar and aside from Turkey he heard from them
1:28:22
that we don't really mind this genocide that's taking place but please bear in mind we have our public opinion considered Washington Post had that headline in the first week or second week after
1:28:30
October 7th where it said that uh blinkin goes to visit Arab capitals to seek help in tempering
1:28:37
public opinion their words not mine the point is blinkin felt that the regional rulers were
1:28:44
more aligned with the Israelis to the extent he could go and ask them can you keep your keep your
1:28:49
populations under control cuz the Americans are hearing them and they might become anti-israel can you please keep them under control and that's when sud came out a week later and said is a f don't
1:28:58
talk about it my point is in this Arab League CeCe is going to sit in a room where not everybody is
1:29:04
against the genocide of Palestinians not everybody cares about the genocide of Palestinians and Trump will say the Arabs themselves are telling me that they don't mind so what's the big
1:29:14
deal Jordan take the Palestinians what's the big deal Egypt take the Palestinians CCE has
1:29:20
suggested that he might send tanks to the Border but the biggest and this is the point I finished I think the biggest issue that CeCe has now is Netanyahu gave an interview to Fox News where
1:29:30
he says that part of the reason the Palestinians are suffering is because Egypt is is is is choking
1:29:36
them Egypt is always keeps that border shut all the like Egypt should do the Humane thing and open
1:29:41
the border and and and let them in CC's greatest issue is not Trump and netanyahu's plans those are
1:29:47
expected no one ever believes that Israel wants peace in the region his problem is when the time comes that he needs the Arab League to really stand with him he'll find them standing closer
1:29:57
to Israel than they will with him and that's why he canceled his visit to Washington it's why he's refusing to meet with Trump and it's why he's calling for this emergency meeting and I think
1:30:05
he probably wanted the meeting this week but he found that the gulf allies were telling him that maybe we don't need to rush about this let's wait and see whether Trump actually brings the
Reckoning of Democrats
1:30:13
ceasefire down earlier on Samy you spoke about the impact the Muslim and the conscientious Community
1:30:20
had on the outcome of the American elections and how GZA featured in those swing states of
1:30:26
Michigan and Pennsylvania and and others um there was a question that was asked by uh one of our
1:30:33
subscribers alhamdulillah we've got uh you know it's we've got this uh amazing set of almost 400
1:30:40
subscribers to our podcast and um they have the opportunity to ask questions to our guests and normally we ask you these questions afterwards as a bonus bit but it was a really good question from
1:30:49
Sister Sarah and I want to ask you the question now Sarah asks that uh we would told that if we
1:30:56
vote against the Democrats uh then there will be an internal conversation that takes place within
1:31:02
the Democrats and in two years time or four years time uh next election you know midterms
1:31:07
or or the next presidential election there will be a Reckoning with the Palestinian issue within
1:31:14
the Democrats and I suppose her question really is that has that recog taken place is it going
1:31:20
to take place and what else can we do between now and then to make sure that conversation does take
1:31:27
place within the Democratic party I think that this question is best answered if you look at
1:31:34
the Democrat calculations following their defeat in the elections the Democrats did not believe
1:31:40
that the votes that would be influenced by Gaza would cost them in the elections and the proof
1:31:46
is they refused to change their position even As Trump quoted the votes that were upset over
1:31:52
what was happening in Gaza Bill Clinton was sent to Michigan instead to really double down on the
1:31:58
fact that the Democrats are ready to stand with Zionism and they are not going to listen to those
1:32:05
votes that are angry about the genocide they're going to stick with Zionism because these votes have nowhere else to go and these votes do not have the resolve to punish us because they're
1:32:15
not going to go to Trump and the third party option is not realistic they have nowhere to go
1:32:20
except us that was the Democrat strategy when the Democrat ended up losing there was a big debate
1:32:26
that took place within the Democrat Party did Gaza really cost us the vote and it took place even in months some members of the Muslim Community and the like was Gaza really a decisive Factor Bernie
1:32:36
Sanders suggested it was when he came out and he said that we lost because we quote abandoned the working class and because of our stance with regards to Gaza roana said the same thing John
1:32:46
fetman the Zionist came out and said oh they we lost because we supported the genocide in Gaza I
1:32:51
hope Trump does to these voters you you know and gives them hell and all of these things however there was still some sort of Doubt particularly amongst the community and these others about
1:33:01
whether the insistence that Gaza had a part to play was more motivational rather than rooted in
1:33:06
facts despite the data showing that Gaza did swing those swing States in favor of Trump by causing
1:33:13
millions of Voters to stay at home as opposed to go and voting for Donald Trump since the election
1:33:19
the Yugo poll has come out and confirmed that 29% of those who stayed at at home they stayed at home
1:33:25
because they did not want to choose between a genocide in Biden and Harris and between a fascist Donald Trump that 29% of those who did not vote would have delivered the election for
1:33:36
Harris in those swing States had they voted and 34 other polls confirmed that too from youav and from
1:33:42
other respected polls and the like the other proof that the Democrats now recognize that Gaza was a
1:33:48
key swing issue with regards to their voting is that now that Trump is escalating his rhetoric and
1:33:54
becoming more incend in his rhetoric we're seeing many Democrats and those who support the Democrats
1:34:00
come out and say you punished us because of Gaza you brought Trump over here I hope he really gives
1:34:06
it to you we're seeing that sort of sneering we're seeing that sort of I told you so I told you Trump
1:34:11
was going to be worse but you decided to punish us for genocide knowing Trump was going to come back ignore the legitimacy of the argument the premise of the argument is that we lost because of
1:34:21
genocide we lost because of Gaza we lost because of our role in Gaza and the implicit recognition
1:34:28
in that accusation of We Told You So the implicit accus the implicit recognition is that Gaza was
1:34:35
what swung it and if people did not punish us for Gaza we would have won the first thing
1:34:41
that is clear from this is the message has been received loud and clear Democrats lost because of
1:34:47
Gaza and Democrats now recognize it the Democrat position as it stands now is what do we do with
1:34:53
this information that Gaza cost us the election Michael Moore wrote an article on substack where
1:34:58
he said that if we want to win elections in future we need to start creating distance between us and
1:35:03
between the zionists other members of the Democrat Party are saying that we don't need to create
1:35:09
distance between us and the zionists because Trump is going to give this community so much
1:35:14
grief and so much hell that within two years in the midterm elections they're going to come back
1:35:19
to us and apologize for punishing us as a result of Gaza what they're saying the Democrats is that
1:35:26
this community didn't punish us because they were resilient their non-muslim allies didn't punish
1:35:31
us because they were resilient the millions of Americans Muslim and non-muslim who chose not to
1:35:36
vote for genocide at Harris and for fascist Donald Trump and who some went for third party and some
1:35:41
stayed at home they do not have the resilience to put up with Trump for two years and the fact that
1:35:48
in these elections they had the chance to give 5% to a third party which would allow owed the third
1:35:54
party to get Federal funding which would have really caused the divided that sort of advantage
1:36:00
that the Democrats had against the Republicans means we don't need to cater to this vote we
1:36:06
just need these people Trump will wear them down they'll come back to us in the midterm so the Democrats have recognized that the Gaza vote lost them the election but their Reflections on it as
1:36:16
it stands is let's be patient they're going to come back to us anyway and already we're seeing some uh voices coming out and say we should never have punished genocide because now we have Donald
1:36:27
Trump who's also going to be committing genocide the problem for the Democrats is the community is
1:36:35
far more resilient than they give credit for in other words they believe that the community voted
1:36:40
on a whim but CNN went and interviewed people who had voted for Trump I don't know how morally they
1:36:46
could have done it but it is what it is who went and voted for Trump and said do you regret voting for Trump or do you regret voting third party which made votes leave the Democrats and go and
1:36:56
allow Trump to win all of those are said we don't regret it we're stunned by what Trump is saying
1:37:02
but we don't regret it because the genocide was so bad so the Democrats are saying okay that's the first year the first year they might say yes we stood on principle we did right and the like
1:37:12
but Trump is going to wear them down when the second when the midterm elections come we'll go to them we'll get those votes back without having to cater to them because they'll Buckle
1:37:21
they won't hold firm they won't hold strong like the Palestinians did in Gaza when Israel
1:37:27
was unable to ethnically cleanse them they won't hold firm like the Palestinian in Gaza who didn't
1:37:32
go to Egypt and Jordan but chose to stay on his land they won't hold firm like the Palestinian in Gaza who decided to return home North and they stood in front of the Israeli tanks and the
1:37:43
Israeli tanks were forced to step aside and allow those families to go home these communities are
1:37:48
not like the Palestinians they claim to support the Palestinians are resilient these communities are going to buckle because they have a history of voting for the lesser of two evils never voting on
1:37:58
principle the Democrat calculation is wrong in my opinion why because when those midterm elections
1:38:06
come in two years after Trump has deported a few people and maybe smashed a couple of organizations
1:38:11
or the like I don't think the Democrats will find a community that regrets punishing genocide I
1:38:17
think on the contrary I think the community now is going through a phase whereby they are saying that given that we voted less of two evils and we had a choice between a genocid and a fascist we
1:38:27
can't keep going down this path we have to find a different way moreover the environment today
1:38:32
is different than what it was before millions of Americans their opinions have shifted now with
1:38:38
regards to Palestine but also with regards to their system in America at home there are many
1:38:43
people who did not vote because they believed that the two parties no longer represent them it's like that African-American girl told Don Lemon I can't vote for a fascist and I can't vote
1:38:52
for a genocider the system needs to change not me as a voter we're seeing those on the right wing
1:38:58
saying that we cannot have parties that continue to support Zionism me shimer Jeffrey saak he
1:39:03
they're not rightwing but in any case me shimer Jeffrey saak on the right wing Candace Owens Tucker Carlson Matt Walsh all these other people coming as well moreover we're seeing Americans
1:39:13
now asking questions about why is it that we're giving so much money to the Israelis why is it
1:39:18
we have rampant homelessness in Los Angeles and in California but we can't find the money to give
1:39:24
to them to solve homelessness but we can find 14 billion to give to the Israelis Americans are now
1:39:29
asking why but why are they asking why they're asking why because this community that punished genocide Muslims and non-muslims they raised their voices so loud that an issue that should
1:39:41
never have been on the headlines if the zist were truly in control ended up being forced onto
1:39:46
the headlines it ended up being delivered to the ordinary American people because of the activism
1:39:51
of this community which led to the Democrats losing what the Democrats fear is that when
1:39:57
the two years comes and the midterm elections come when they go back to the community they won't find a community that has buckled they won't find a community that regrets they will find a community
1:40:07
that might be sweating they'll find a community that might be slightly ragged they'll find a community that is struggling against fascism with the help of those millions of Americans who reject
1:40:17
fascism as well and this community will say to the Democrats are you coming back to me with the same sneering face face when my people were being killed in Palestine in Gaza when kids heads were
1:40:27
being blown up when people are being slaughtered you've had two years to repent you're coming to me with the same face I'm wrestling with fascism but I will never allow genocid is back into Power
1:40:37
I'm sorry I'm not giving you the vote in the midterms I'm going to give it to Independence I'm going to give shut Adam in the UK another term I'm going to give Adnan Hussein in the
1:40:45
UK another term this time the third party only got a limited number of votes maybe this time
1:40:50
instead of sitting at home now that I believe I could top with a Democrats maybe I can actually give it to a third party this time and get them over that 5% threshold and really punish you you
1:41:00
didn't see punishment in the presidency you got off lucky that the third party didn't get 5% this
1:41:05
time I'm going to give it 5% because in two years you didn't learn your lesson you thought I would Buckle you're the one who needs to buckle under my resilience with regards to community and we're
1:41:15
seeing it in the way that when people are talking about Elon Musk cleaning up the government there is a meme going around where Elon Musk finds all this wasted money in the government and people are
1:41:24
waiting to receive it but instead he carries it to the Israelis we're seeing the shift in public opinion that is taking place that now opens up opportunities with regards to what is possible
1:41:35
politically in America and I think that is the cause of concern for the Democrats the question is not whether the community was right to punish genocide the question is whether the Democrats
1:41:44
ever want to win an election again whether the Democrats ever want to be in party again whether the Democrats ever want to gain those votes that stayed at home because they were disgusted at the
1:41:54
genocide that they perpetrated the question is not whether those who took a stand on principle did the right thing to do the right thing the question is whether genocides learned the lesson
1:42:03
or whether they want to lose again because this is a community that is ready to struggle for what's right they're ready to dig the trench with the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam
1:42:13
they're ready to keep marching with him even when he loses in they're ready to march with him even if he signs the treaty ofia they're ready to give raise their voices with him even as he's being
1:42:23
beaten up in Mecca they're ready to line up behind him and they are not willing to compromise on these principles especially if it means that it favors the genocides instead and
1:42:33
this is why I think that when you look at what's happening in America Trump is coming after those who might have limited access to healthcare but the Muslims have be M they have HCI they have
1:42:44
ikna relief they have mass they have all these various different organizations that are engaged
1:42:49
with American society what the community did in punishing the Democrats was they represented the
1:42:55
heart of America them and the non-muslims who joined them what they said to America was oh America this country that we all love even though we despise its foreign policy this country that
1:43:07
we live in this country that we were born in this country that we reside in cannot succeed
1:43:13
if its elections are producing a choice between a fascist and a genid we cannot keep choosing the
1:43:19
lesser of two evils we have to learn to dream as the American dream dream told us to dream
1:43:24
we have to learn to dream and think of something better we have to envisage and come up with a new
1:43:29
vision one in which we are never told to choose again between fascism and between genocide and
1:43:36
the community did that through dawa they gave dawa to the American public and they found the
1:43:41
American public heard what did Candace Owen say Jal when P Morgan asked her why did you change
1:43:47
your opinion with regards to Zionism she said PE you know me my whole career I've been considering
1:43:53
the friend of the zionists but when I saw on social media what was happening on Palestine I
1:43:59
as a Christian can no longer support that Candace Owens is one person imagine how many others feel
1:44:05
the same way taka Carlson laughed at PE Morgan when P Morgan said that Israel might have a moral
1:44:11
right to kill Palestinian kids taka cson laughed at him New York Times describes Tua cson as the
1:44:18
most watched right-wing podcast him and Joe Rogan have some of the most the most watched podcast in
1:44:24
America Joe Rogan not necessarily rightwing but they are the most watched podcast Joe Rogan on his own podcast talking about why do we support the Israelis what's our real benefit in supporting
1:44:33
the Israelis hosting Jeffrey sax and these others talking to the American people and saying guys we have heard callers who are calling to that which is good they don't say it in those
1:44:49
words what Joe Rogan said was I'm coming across increasing number of videos of what's happening
1:44:56
in Palestine I'm I'm hearing their call and as I hear it I can't stop hearing it so I'm starting to
1:45:03
look at it what is in this call what is happening here and what Unity Labs did what im Tom fakini
1:45:10
did what Omar did on Lex fredman podcast what Yi did when he sat next to M ped and the Jewish voice
1:45:17
for and husse sat next to the Jewish voice for peace what the community did when they
1:45:23
spoke to the American society was they presented and they told the Americans Unity Labs put the
1:45:28
billboard they said oh Americans did you know that we're giving more than $3 billion a year to the
1:45:34
Israelis but we can't afford health care here in America you can't afford healthare did you know
1:45:39
that after the hurricane that ran through Florida Biden only sent $750 per family in Florida but
1:45:45
sent 8 billion in the same week to the Israelis to enable them to commit genocide oh America
1:45:51
Americans speaking to them as Amer Americans oh America did you know that what you're suffering
1:45:56
in access to medical treatment those bills that are making you bankrupt those Insurance scamming
1:46:02
you instead of the government intervening and providing waivers providing financial support
1:46:08
Biden didn't find 14 billion to help you he found 14 billion instead he asked Congress on
1:46:14
the 20th of October to give to Egypt and Jordan to say to them that leave the homelessness in
1:46:19
America that's not my priority leave the medical situation that's not my priority I want to give 14
1:46:25
billion to Egypt and Jordan to help Israel on the other side of the world to ethnically cleanse and
1:46:30
kick out the Palestinians because somehow I'm ideologically Zionist and I would be a Zionist even if there was no Zionism Americans when they heard this retric from this community they punish
1:46:41
the Democrats with regards to genocide and that's why when people are debating whether punishing genocide was right or wrong that is the wrong question to ask the question that should be
1:46:50
asked is if this da of 12 months resulted in the defeat of the Democrats if this da of 12
1:46:58
months convinced millions of Americans to stay at home and not participate in voting either
1:47:03
for a fascist and a genocider if this da that we participated in flipped zus into Pro Palestinian
1:47:10
if this da that we gave if these boycotts that we embarked on made companies and universities
1:47:17
divest from the Israelis like UC Davis and these others if these protests that we embarked on
1:47:23
made naftali Bennett say on the Jordan Peterson podcast that these protests have quote devastated
1:47:29
our influence in foreign capitals which is the reason Netanyahu needed to fly to Washington to
1:47:34
say to Trump what on Earth are you doing forcing me into a ceasefire which is why netan had to call macron and tell him what does it mean when you keep talking about a ceas fine a two-state
1:47:42
solution which is why macron told CNN that we are averse to Trump's plan for ethnic cleansing
1:47:48
Palestine belongs to the Palestinians they should stay there something that he wasn't necessarily saying when Biden was in power the question is not whether it was right to punish genocide the
1:47:57
question was is if you can shake the world in 12 months by finally communicating with your Society
1:48:05
by finally engaging with your Society by finally raising money for those Billboards that Unity La
1:48:11
put out by finally raising money and pushing care to represent Muslims and defend them in the courts
1:48:17
and bring the court cases alongside the Jewish voice for peace against those who are zionists
1:48:22
like in the Oakland Court or the like that got a judge to say I'm not sure I have jurisdiction but
1:48:28
if I did I could probably charge those who are supporting genocide with supporting genocide he
1:48:33
said it in Oakland he said I don't have I don't think I have jurisdiction but if I did it would be the case which is Landmark even if people think that it is irrelevant and I know the lawyers who
1:48:41
went and did that as well the question is if the community was able to achieve all of that what
1:48:47
can they achieve over the next four years what can they convince more millions of Americans
1:48:53
if they convinced 10 million to stay at home Jal do you think maybe and that was 12 months multiply
1:48:58
that by four over the next four years with the concerted effort alongside Trump who is bearing down who speaks bluntly and forces those who are going along with Biden's PR to finally come out
1:49:09
and become Pro Palestinian because Trump makes it too ugly for them to stand with Trump the way they
1:49:14
stood with Biden 10 million in one year multiply that by four years you could convince 40 million
1:49:21
Americans to maybe start to explore a third way I'm not saying people go and abandon the Democrats
1:49:26
in the next election nor am I saying go and go and punish labor in the next election I'm saying that the Democrat and labor strategy as it stands is you I didn't believe you to be resilient I didn't
1:49:39
believe you to be a community that was willing to entertain struggle I believed you to be a people
1:49:44
of Wen I believed you to be like the foam of the sea I believed you to be large in number and in
1:49:50
wealth but I believed you to be impotent because you would never entertain struggle suddenly you
1:49:55
surprised me you took a stance on genocide you actually toppled me and I recognize by because
1:50:01
of the polls because of the data because of the numbers because of Wisconsin 32,000 difference with 70,000 Muslims Plus non-muslims in there swinging the state and the poll suggesting if
1:50:11
Harris had changed her position she would have won Wisconsin you've shown me in this instance that
1:50:16
you're willing to take a stand on principle but the Democrats and labor are saying I think this is a one-off I think was emotional I think this was a lashing out I don't think you're people who are
1:50:27
resilient I think you're a people who are going to crack zionists don't crack Zionist have not let
1:50:32
up Democrats lost and when Trump did a ceasefire that they did not want they spent even more money
1:50:38
to try to L with the Americans Netanyahu flew to Washington the tech companies are trying to revise
1:50:43
their laws about cracking down the universities are changing their laws and their policies they didn't go home and say everything is done they said oh my goodness we have to spend more money
1:50:53
we have to embark on more initiatives to push that down because this power is manifesting itself in
1:50:59
a way it has never manifested before because this is not a minority that is revolting this
1:51:04
is a minority plus Americans plus white Americans black Americans Hispanics they who are changing
1:51:11
their minds because of this dawa the Zionist did not stop against you because they don't believe this community to be powerless so the Democrats what they're saying and the zionists are saying
1:51:20
they're saying okay this was understandable the genocide video was everywhere but let's let's
1:51:26
gamble on Trump trump is going to give them hell Trump so far hasn't committed a genocide although
1:51:31
he might but even if he commits a genocide and I'm not downplaying it it will not be anything worse than what Biden did as we explained before but the point that I make here is is that if Trump commits
1:51:41
a genocide the zionists believe that Muslims will forget that Biden's was just as worse and that
1:51:47
Muslims will say we should never have punished Biden let's go back to the Democrats because it
1:51:52
felt better did they lose their home no they didn't lose their home in America did they lose their cars no they didn't lose their cars did they lose their wealth no they didn't lose
1:52:00
their weth was an organization smashed maybe one or two but we built one or two as well and now the Supreme Court is looking into it because Jewish voice for peace and other white Americans
1:52:09
are lobbying on our behalf and also some Democrats are now becoming Pro Palestinian because Democrats are pro-israel in power and pro Palestine in opposition they're now joining the front as
1:52:18
well and we're seeing around the world things that are changing the zionists are saying Trump will make them suffer and they'll come back to you you don't need to entertain those votes and here's
1:52:27
the point that I finish on yeah in 2 years time the Democrats will come to the voters who punish
1:52:35
them for genocide and they will say to them do you see what Trump did to you was punishing genocide
1:52:41
worth it and there will be voices that say we should never have punished genocide they will
1:52:46
say to the community it wasn't worth it come back to us because even if we support genocide we are
1:52:52
not nicer to you and make you feel better about it if the community Buckle at that point all of the
1:52:58
efforts of punishing genocide until now will have gone in vain the issue will disappear yeah but if
1:53:05
they hold their ground and punish Democrats in the midterm elections punish them because we have the
1:53:10
likes in our community of Mahi Hassan who is going against those Zionist propaganda and going doing
1:53:16
these whole high-profile debates against Elon leevy and really bringing it to the four but he would be calling for a vote of of the Democrats but but set that aside for a second the reality
1:53:26
is this many Americans saw the debate between M Hassen and between Elon leevy many Americans saw
1:53:32
the debate between Bim YF and between P Morgan many Americans are watching what wi shahad for
1:53:37
example a Democrat Party strategist who might have leaned towards Kamala Harris they will notice what
1:53:43
he's saying on Twitter and the like when he says Democrats you need to learn about this community because they might punish you again these people who are spreading these narratives even if their
1:53:53
sympathies might be with a Democrat Party I'm a I'm a believer that the umah has talents in many different places and though we might disagree on on tactics the strategy Remains the Same in
1:54:02
terms of how we can stand for what's good and what's right and everybody does their part in it it's like Omar said we might have disagreed in the last election but the battle continues we all
1:54:10
need to put our arms together and hands together while we push forward as a result of the shift in these narratives by these gems that we have in the community even if we disagree on some
1:54:19
positions I think that if the Muslim Community and the American people of conscience punish
1:54:25
the Democrats in the midterm elections in two years Time by going for independent candidates by
1:54:31
going for third party candidates by going for for independent counselors by punishing Republicans if
1:54:37
they choose to go for genocide and punishing the Democrats to go genocide and saying you know what it might be a rough storm but I'm going to dig my trench over here and I'm going to move forward
1:54:46
with it I think in that third year Jal and here's here's here's the Crux of the issue in that third
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year the Democrats will get together and they will say to themselves guys we got a problem because
1:54:57
when they punish us in the presidential election the Zionist told us that this was a one-off midterm elections look at all of the damage Trump has done in America to health care to benefits
1:55:08
to the to education to all these other things as well but still in the midterm elections we could
1:55:14
not capitalize because we are unrepentant with regards to genocide guys we've got two choices
1:55:19
here either we start changing our language or we're going to lose next year again and I don't think that when the Democrats are one year away from the elections having tasted the power of a
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community that was told Trump is going to be worse and they said bring Trump we will fight genocide
1:55:37
and punish it today and fight his fascism tomorrow having got a taste of the power of this community
1:55:43
that two years later when they were getting tired of fighting against Trump because of the pressure
1:55:49
that he brought against them and when Democrats said to them have you had enough they said what do you mean have we had enough is there more let him bring more w we will not go back to
1:55:58
you so long as you support the genocide we will hold true the Democrats will say these guys have done it twice once is lucky twice is becoming a a pattern we need to change our rhetoric that's
1:56:08
what I see the Democrat calculation and how it can be ruined the point being and I promise this is where I finish the point being the question is not being asked in the community whether what they
1:56:17
did was right or wrong i' I've gone around the UK I went to the US after the elections I I I've
1:56:22
contacted people from other parts of the world no one is saying whether what they did was right or wrong what the question is whether the parties that lost want to win an election again and they
Longevity of Muslim community
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will never win so long as they support genocide because this community after what happened in Gaza they are ready to struggle ready to persevere And when they see the image of the Palestinians going
1:56:40
back to their homes when they see the Palestinian resistance they say I can't betray them by staying at home myself I think you're right I don't think there's anyone saying that what we did was wrong
1:56:48
and and there is there's no buyers remorse when it comes to to have a Muslim Community in America
1:56:54
or in Britain generally voted which was in the interest of the Palestinians and against a two-
1:56:59
party system and we saw that uh on both sides of the Atlantic I suppose my worry uh is that and
1:57:07
and it's it's only a worry on anxiety it is that is there longevity to this Approach at least from
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the Muslim Community perspective you know is there a resilience fair for sure there's not a bias remorse but we know that the Democratic party and the labor party they're still wedded to their
1:57:23
Pro zist approach yet they have started a charm offensive in the Muslim communities I've seen it
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I've visited some of those communities that were very strongly behind an anti- labor vote in the
1:57:35
last general election and there are some cracks I'm not saying there are major cracks but there are some Community leaders who are saying maybe because the labor party have have reached out to
1:57:44
us before the general election they were not even reaching out to us now they're reaching out to us they haven't tangibly changed their policy then maybe we should think about entertaining the labor
1:57:55
party for our vote um that that possibility is still there and and I just worry that that
1:58:03
sort of longevity that resilience in a Muslim Community doesn't quite exist in the way that you've you've described it in the long term I will rephrase what you've said yeah because I disagree
1:58:13
slightly with the premise you called it cracks and I call it something different I think that when M
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Hass and W Shah say say to the Democrats look we believed in our understand we were horrified by
1:58:26
the genocide we knew Trump was going to bring fascism we quietly supported you we want we we preferred you B mus said he didn't vote for either one of them they say we wanted to vote for you
1:58:37
but we want to make it absolutely clear even if we sympathize with you more than Trump this community
1:58:42
will never vote for you unless you change your stance on genocide M Hass in the Tweet just before the election he tweeted and he said Kamala if she loses it has no right to blame the community and
1:58:53
he was somebody sympathetic to her he said she can only blame herself because we're all telling
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her that if she wants to win this community she has to change a position on genocide wi Shah had
1:59:04
said the same thing I don't think necess I don't call it a crack yeah if these people sit with a labor party and tell them bluntly that even if we sympathize with you and we recognize that you
1:59:14
are better than the conservatives and there is an argument for that historically all the human rights that people enjoy today minorities enjoy today has come more from the labor
1:59:22
party and has from the conservative party I think there's no harm in these people saying look even if we sympathize with you this community won't vote for you for genocide and we have no face
1:59:31
to back you if you continue to support genocide yeah there's no harm of that I don't call that a crack nor do I think it's a crack if labor adopt a policy of listening to the community
1:59:42
and hearing what they have to say there's nothing wrong in that the problem comes if labor listen
1:59:48
to the community and then continue to support genocide at that point the community says we're
1:59:53
not inherently against conservative or labor we're not inherently against Republican or Democrat When
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Donald Trump came out and said one of my first moves will be that there will only be two genders male and female under my government nearly every Muslim celebrated they said alhamdulillah finally
2:00:09
we're not have to dealing with this transgender stuff being ran down the throats of our kids there are issues that we align with the Republicans and issues that we align with the Democrats likewise
2:00:17
with labor likewise with conservative the Muslim is not labor nor conservative the Muslim is not Republican nor are they Democrat the Muslim is a mercy to society and they judge based on who is
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better for Society at any particular given time or they go and search for a third way it's not a
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crack for labor to talk to community leaders I think the crack comes when labor say we're not
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going to change our position but could you go and get the community on board anyway at that point you have a crack but what Gaza demonstrated which is why I'm not as worried about it as your
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question suggests what Gaza demonstrated was we saw people who are aligned with the Democrat Party
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scream from the rooftops that we still had to vote for Democrats we saw those aligned with the labor
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party we saw imams coming out and saying we have to vote for the labor party even if they support
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genocide we saw it I believe I I always prefer to give people the benefit of the doubt their
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interpretation was the fascism of trump is going to be way worse I'd rather settle for the lesser of two evils that's their opinion my opinion was that we should dig our heels in and finally stand
2:01:17
for something ride the storm and then see the opportunities that come after us that's perfect fine but my point here is this Jal when the the community that has in ital my always has in it
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my is never powerless Allah has never taken power away from it Allah has always given power to my
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um to the um of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam Allah has always given power to the um to change at any moment when this umah was presented the two strategies Jal of let's
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forgive genocide to avoid fascism or let's punish genocide and then fight fascism which is why when
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we discussed in the podcast before the elections you know presenting what many people didn't know the idea that there is a 5% rule for a third party hint hint when the um was was given these two
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choices forgive genocide or punish genocide yeah both presented their arguments both used their
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channels both camps did thinking Muslim did it and Zeto did the other argument it was there the
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um always has the um said this argument is better let's go and punish and that's why for me I don't
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call it cracks the um will never agree to a wrong I think that in the next election labor will come
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and they will say to the community we want your votes why because we notice in Birmingham one MP
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that we had had a majority of 30,000 she now only has 500 West streeting in ilford North lost to
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Lean by less than 500 votes and she only lost because many in the community didn't actually believe that they could succeed in it this time she might actually lose let's go and listen
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if labor come and say if labor come and say that genocide is a war crime and Netanyahu should be
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arrested this genocide is abhorent and we are going to do an arms embargo on the Israelis and we are now going to stand against his genocide then Jalen I don't see anything wrong with the
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community saying if this is truly your policy then fine but if labor come and say no Israel has a
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right to do what it's doing in Gaza but we want a two-state solution we tell them I'm sorry there's
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no way you're getting the votes back here and not only that labor you're making a miscalculation here lean only lost because the community believed enough to stay at home but not enough to go and
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vote for her the Democrats lost because the community believed enough to stay at home to
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punish genocide by stay at home but didn't believe enough in their ability to break your advantage
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by going third party when they tasted that 2024 election labor party or Democrats those guys who
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stayed at home might actually spite you further by actually going third party and forever breaking
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your advantage that you had the point that I'm saying is let people meet with the Democrats and
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labor let them hear the dawa let them be like when the Muslim speak to Abu sufyan let it be like the
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way the Muslims write the letter to hercus let it be like when the prophet Muhammad wasam writes the
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letter to Persia let them State clearly like the imam's letter they will never win the vote vote of
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British and Americans who are against genocide Muslim and non-muslim so long as they maintain
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their policy of supporting genocide and supporting the Israelis let that let it be known that this
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is a community of resilience that will never go back unless finally the politics changes and the
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reality is this jalun says a status quo neverl we always talk about Britain like it's always
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been a two-party system it hasn't labor party was established in the late 1920s and ended up
2:04:53
becoming a major party after that before then it was the wigs and the Liberals and all these others it's been about 100 years since labor party have really been a force to be reckoned with that's a
2:05:02
short period in the whole tapestry of history when you look at in the US for example the reality is that they had their Civil War maybe 200 years ago or the like that's a small period of history in
2:05:12
the tapestry of History we always assume that our lives is the be all and end all of time it isn't these are all relatively new phenomenons that are bending and adapting based on the way that people
2:05:22
are changing and the way people are asserting themselves I was with Ty hickey the Irish comedian
2:05:28
who's doing those videos you were ler as well we met him over there as well he was telling us about the Irish struggle against British colonialism Ireland The Good Friday agreement was only in
2:05:37
1998 it was in our lifetime we saw it on the TV The Good Friday agreement before then there was
2:05:42
the troubles and a bit of War taking part in Ireland now you can fly to Dublin safe and you fly to belfar safely once upon a time not too long you could not do that time is all always changing
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but it changes because of one thing and this is the point that I finish on it changes because of one thing because people always move people always mobilize people always defy evil they
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defy oppression and when oppression tries to go harder on them the people resist oppression
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harder and this is the point that I'm making here when people are saying what's going to happen the next four years I don't know but I do know that what the zionists wanted to happen the next four
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years is not happening because of protest boycott social media and resistance of the Palestinians
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that's abundantly clear Zionist did not want a ceasefire a ceasefire was imposed Zionist did
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not want to lose the narrative on global public opinion they lost it and the ADL says they'll probably never win it back which is why we need to buy Tik Tok and we need to ban It in America the
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the Israelis never ever thought that their allies would question their policies all of Europe now is questioning the Israelis the Israelis during the genocide did not imagine that Germany would come
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out and denounce their plans to ethnically cleanse Gaza Schultz who supported Biden is now coming out against Trump the Israelis never imagin that the whole United Nations would come out against it and
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the US would be the sole party that vetos against it Israel never expected it why because they plan
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and Allah plans they plan and we plan they plan and the community plans Democrats plan and we
2:07:09
plan Biden planed and we plan and the reality is they're not as strong as we think they are and that's why I think that moving forward it's not about what do we do differently it's about
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how do we sustain what has been done how do we we sustain the messaging on Palestine how do we
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normalize language how now we normalize genocide that was impossible before do you remember not too long ago we couldn't even say it was an apartheid regime it was deemed to be something unacademic
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now everybody is calling it an apartheid regime but that's because of the efforts of ordinary
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people and this is why hercus when he said to Abu sufyan who are the people who are supporting This
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Man Called Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam in Mecca who are the ones supporting
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in a manner that has now troubled you you qur and troubled you leaders in Mecca when quray has been
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the superior tribe Abu sufan says it is the lowest of society hercus says yeah AB sufan if it is the
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lowest of your Society who are the ones who are Relentless Relentless in the way that they punish
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genocide Relentless in the way they take a stand that when Trump comes with his fascist policies
2:08:17
they hold firm that when Democrats tell them that we're going to abandon you to Trump say we'll hold firm and we have millions of non-muslim Americans with us too these hercus said if it is
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these people then yeah Abu sufyan today you may hold Mecca but I promise you this man is on the
2:08:34
prophetic way and he will take Mecca from you and he'll even take Rome from me too and this is the message to the community now as well if you continue as you are the way that you punish Biden
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not only will you smash Zionist influence in the US which is already now under threat because now
2:08:48
zionists are becoming so public in the way that they are lashing out that even Matt Walsh of Ben
2:08:54
Shapiro's daily wire is coming out and saying we should cut all Aid to the Israelis taka Kon
2:08:59
saying we should cut Aid to the Israelis Candace Owens every single day is doing a video saying we
2:09:04
need to stop supporting the Israelis they've gone cuckoo they've gone they've gone wild the reality is that all of these changes is not because of Bin Salman bin Z and these others it's because
2:09:14
of the ordinary person who has a power that is so magnificent because their lord is magnificent and
2:09:20
the zign is what they want more than anything else is for this community to shut up for this community to go home for this community to give up for this community to stop engaging for ikna
2:09:30
Rel to stop going and helping the Americans when Trump wants to abandon some of them for the for for b m to stop donating to those communities that might be struggling with Medicare Medicare because
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they don't want the Americans to see the truth of what's happening and to see that actually Muslims
2:09:47
are far closer to them in Justice and in Mercy than these Zionist who are committing ethnic
Trump and Iran
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cleansing where do you think uh Trump is on Iran uh I note that General Keith Kellog who's Trump's
2:09:59
uh Ukraine employee he's an Iran Hawk and he recently gave a presentation to a uh an opposition
2:10:06
Iranian opposition group in Brussels and uh he's spoken about using uh more um uh harsher leverage
2:10:14
I suppose a harer means towards Iran for it to comply Iran is in a weaker State as a result of a
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l last few months its proxies have been diminished and uh and of course internationally its standing
2:10:26
has has has lessened um do you think that Trump who came to office saying that he's not going to
2:10:33
start any more any new Wars he's a peacemaker may take the bait uh which Netanyahu has set him and
2:10:41
uh and U pursue a a a a war in with Iran I think Trump is not naturally inclined towards war no
2:10:50
I think Trump Deep frogged Over The Establishment in the US to force the US troops to withdraw from
2:10:57
Afghanistan I don't think that John Bolton or these others were happy with it but Trump
2:11:03
went through with it because he's not he's not a warmonger he's not like Biden Biden is a warmonger but Trump isn't I don't think Trump wants to war with Iran I think that when he assassinated kasim
2:11:14
sumani that was as a result of an escalation with the Iranians and they managed to sort it out with some sort of show for both audiences and they let to go but Trump made it clear I don't want
2:11:23
war with the Iranians and John Kelly was sacked as a result and so were some others in I think what Trump wants is he wants to bully Iran into a deal I think he wants to apply maximum pressure and
2:11:33
then say to them I'm willing to make concessions I don't want to go to war I just want to make some sort of deal I don't want you to have nuclear weapons I don't want you have the extent to which
2:11:40
he's willing to push that is unclear because this time you have the Netanyahu desperate for war with Iran and you also have the Saudis and and others in the region who are who want to see
2:11:52
Iran pushed back completely they believe Iran has been defeated in Syria Iran is on very shaky
2:11:58
territory in Lebanon they believe let's finish it off get rid of the huthis in Yemen and also Drive
2:12:05
the point home and get the Americans to finally end Iran's push in the region which has seen all
2:12:11
these militias and proxies come up as well having said that I don't think Trump is likely to go to war with the Iranians however a lot of those predictions will depend on what he does with
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regards to Israel because Trump is not inclined towards the war or sending US troops if he sends
2:12:27
US troops to Gaza and he allows Israel to go to war it would Mark a departure from what we're used
2:12:32
to seeing from Donald Trump and it will indicate a different kind of thinking with regards to Donald Trump but I think if one if gambling was Halal then and it's not I think one would say Biden was
2:12:43
more likely to go to war with the Iranians than Trump is finally um Ramadan is coming up and um we
Studying Seerah in Ramadan
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often focus on our relationship with Allah subhana tala in this month and we try to extend our study
2:12:55
and our our reading of Quran um I'm struck by how often you say to me that if one wants to read a
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good book on politics one needs to study the uh last Ramadan I I sort of said to myself I'm going
2:13:10
to dedicate the month to SI but the elections in Britain came uh were were were uh uh were imminent
2:13:17
and uh Subhan Allah I think a lot of my time was spent uh on that inshallah this year I I would
2:13:24
like to return back to that idea of of studying the so just give me give me some pointers what
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should I be uh looking at when it when it comes to rereading V from a political perspective uh
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give me some uh some inspiration inshallah to on a daily basis to uh to study V and to glean from it
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those political examples that you say every Muslim should be getting from uh the life of the prophet
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I think that Allah subhana wa tala when he revealed a lot of the aat when the prophet first receives the Revelation he doesn't receive the full Quran he receives only certain
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verses and I always wondered why Allah did not give him the full Quran in one go and
2:14:09
the theory of some Scholars is that the reason Allah didn't give him gi give it to him all in one go is had he given it him in one go he would not have understood all of the aat he
2:14:19
had to go through certain events in his life life to fully grasp what those aat are and that's why some a they came down in certain events for example after when he was debating
2:14:27
what to do with those who disobeyed him on the hill whether to punish them or not Allah said if you are hard and harsh to them oh Muhammad everybody else will leave
2:14:39
you this is a powerful one so pardon them and ask forgiveness for them so ask me to forgive
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ask Allah to forgive them and consult them in their affairs don't do that whole forgive and
2:14:52
never forget consult them in the Affairs and I think when sahabah saw that he was able to bring the ranks together it was a very political aah very political move and he had to go through in
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order to understand that in terms of how he moves forward but I think if I had to focus on anything in this Ramadan for anybody who's in the western who's studying the S I would do a very deep dive
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into the first 13 years of the life of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasam in particular you
2:15:17
know these days we have these VR machines where you put into on your eyes and teleports you to a different world or the like don't read the S just as if you're reading a book about somebody
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else at every interaction so the prophet receives the picture yourself that you see a man running
2:15:31
down from the hill goes to his wife comes out and says an angel has come down and said there
2:15:37
is no God but he but he doesn't give you the full Quran he only gives you a little piece of it then he goes in the middle of the city in the Kaa and he starts giving da ask are you capable of that
2:15:46
are you capable of going in the middle of the of your town and telling them I want to call
2:15:51
you to one God and Muhammad is the messenger then I want you to imagine people laughing at
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you the way in the S it tells you they laughed and scoffed at the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam can you tolerate that can can you put up with that can you put up with the gloating
2:16:06
of those you punish for genocide telling you how watch how he comes after you I'm safe because of privilege but watch how they come after you watch how they come after your Charities watch how they
2:16:14
come after your institutions you wanted to punish us we'll see what put yourself in the position of
2:16:20
the Prophet Muhammad Al wasallam where they start mocking him and laughing at him and the like as
2:16:25
you go through you come across the likes of Bear in mind you're only six seven eight nine pages in
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after you've passed the background context of ABD MB and and and and and and and his father
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abdah and the story of the year of the elephant and the light go to is found to be giving DA they
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pull out they tell her give up your religion give up your religion give up your religion
2:16:51
you know how people are saying it could be worse under Donald Trump what if you're one of the victims of that in in in Palestine for example where they say give it up give it up
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imagine yourself in it the S is not a fairy tale the S gives you different and it becomes scary now
2:17:04
suddenly because you know when you say it's a time we're supposed to reconnect with Allah wa tala the the image people have is is a fairy Kumbaya moment it's I sit there I meditate I have Zen and I feel
2:17:15
spiritually high no no Ramadan is not that Ramadan is going back to sub wa taala and understanding
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the contract with Allah subhah wa tala and to understand that you look at the chosen people that he had around the prophet muhammadu wasallam you get to and she's a poor woman she's not the elite
2:17:34
she doesn't have money to buy she doesn't have a tribe to protect her she's the ones that some people say you know they're the ones who are going to be on the front line suffering while you sit in
2:17:43
your you know like Abu Bakr sik or these others you know who have some sort of tribal protection not even the prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam could protect jendel and these other
2:17:51
people as well is killed and you say to yourself and this what I said to myself you say to yourself
2:17:57
could I do that for Allah could I do that for Allah is that me and then you hesitate because the
2:18:05
answer immediately I'll be honest with you is no that's not me you go to the next page and you keep continuing as you read just the first 13 years of life propham is rampaging through meah and he
2:18:16
anybody who talks about Islam he is aggressive to them so he and his companions they're aggressive
2:18:22
to the Muslims you don't have the muscles to go against you don't have the power you don't have
2:18:27
the way tell me Jal stop on that page Jal what would you do Jal would you stay in your home when
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they tell you Jal we need some Manpower because would You' be like and I'm going to do I'm going to pray here you guys go go instead the prophet has told us to go to the Kaa and announce it are
2:18:43
you guys mad they're going to Stone us they're going to hit us Abu is going to bring and Abu J they're going to bring everybody against us would you go if somebody asked you similar if you read
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in a kumb Zen moment You' be like yeah you know in a bit of a high but when you ask yourself and you
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see it let's go and punish genocide let's go and stand for what's right let's go out and protest
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let's go out and do the parallel of today let's go you suddenly realize there must be a smarter
2:19:10
way to do this that's what when you apply to it smarter way you know when you know when people say you know if I was in bad you know I would Hab we're not even in bad yet we're already on
2:19:20
on on just these examples over here and already we're hesitating we're not sure where we are the
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prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam for 13 years tells you he's the prophet yeah all you see is him being humiliated by qur organ organs being thrown on top of him Thorns being put in his path
2:19:36
by you know his wife is putting the thorns in his path you see for example they are laughing at him
2:19:43
on the street and he keeps going to them every ha the tribes they come 25 tribes dignitaries
2:19:48
they come and he goes to each dig telling them I am the prophet and Allah is one and do justice and
2:19:54
do whatever and they say to him he does it when is he going to give up 12 months and people are saying have Democrats learned their lesson 12 months everybody's saying another four years of
2:20:03
struggle 13 years he's telling you go and struggle and he doesn't seem to be making any tangible gain
2:20:10
materially in terms of ending in terms of going around and establishing a city establishing an
2:20:16
army you're 12 months hesitating and you claim you would last 13 years with the life of the Prophet
2:20:21
Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam you don't have to you if you do it properly you won't finish the
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first 13 years of the SE of the Prophet because you'll get to the point where Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam says to his companions that some of you are struggling and I know it true
2:20:36
who wants to go to AB with because he sends their weaker ones the ones who are would you have said
2:20:42
like who had the chance to go home you know when everybody says I want to go home I want to go to
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Tunis I want to go to meca I want to go to wakanda I want to go toah has the chance to go home with
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ja as part of a delegation the says to him no man there is wronged you will be safe there says my
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place is here my place is here says if the prophet had not sent me I would have stayed with him I
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don't want to abandon you Allah would you have been one of those who says yeah I I'll go I I'll go I'll go to abisa or would you have said I'll stay with are you which category are you I'm not
2:21:25
saying there's categories between them I'm saying would you have said let me stay in the belly of the Beast or let me make hij and get out of here when you get to the Nashi part he's got chains in
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front of you he's about to chain you can you keep the eloquence of jalib because your argument is
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not I can bring you businessmen I can bring you investment I can do a vision 20 I can do a vision uh 800 ad for you I can I can bring a Shakira I can bring Jennifer Lopez I can bring whatever for
2:21:52
you I will bring good economy for you I would be beneficial in businesses or would you be willing
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to sayashi we worship gods of wood and stone elements of our own manufacturer the rich have
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neglected the poor they've neglected Philadelphia they've neglected hden they've neglected Bradford
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they've neglected and the act by which b or or or mass or Baraka charity or or or or or HCI
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or or these others or relief the act by which they go to these communities and lift their fellow brothers up is described by them as like a Kumbaya like a you know upsetting social order why
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are you a nice well and suited guy wasting your time with these people over here that Trump has taken away their their rights to free School meals and Medicare why do you waste your time with them
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can you say that to n you think N I have to give them something tangible says come on we're the
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economic partner this Etc and don't even believe Jesus is the son and Jaffer holds his ground you know in those debates when you're with the Christians or the like he holds his ground
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you talk about women you say we feed them clothe them discard them what about the womb that bore you nesi says why are your 300 Gods Tongue Tied while his one God is eloquent when you read it you
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feel spiritually masah jaur imagine yourself as jaur it's terrifying it's frightening you sit in
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those crowd of those who are pro Zionist of those who are pro qur and you're trying to tell them
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that Palestine that that the the prophet Muhammad sallah alaihi wasallam that his cause is just his
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cause is right and Sky knew AB Sky new shouts at you from the back and tells you do you condemn
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do p Morgan sorry do you condemn do you condemn it's terrifying that's why many people don't go to these different places bear in mind all of this you've spent 12 days of Ramadan 13 days
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of Ramadan and already you think you're feeling the spiritual High you suddenly realize Allah I
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don't think I'm as great of a Muslim as I thought I was goes barges in on his sister this is first
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13 years his sister is reading the Quran with her husband om walks in sees him reading the Quran
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beats up his sister says I will disown anybody who has this would you have said ah this beating
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isn't worth it or would you have said listen w we will never give up this religion never give up this Dean bear in mind it's not for example that she has money to lose or the like she's doing it
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all for allaha would you do it he says to you know how we say this guy doesn't deserve my da
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has just hit his sister over Quran and hit his brother-in-law and his brother-in-law and sister say at least read it at least watch the Tik Tok video at least see the post at least see it reads
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it reads and says only Allah could have delivered this he goes and he gives to to Prophet Muhammad
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and you know what he does next Jal he goes to the middle of the Kaa goes to the middle of my he says I become Muslim an you go through each one could you Z sold as a slave ends up with
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the prophet Muhammad wasam his father travels the length and breadth of Arabia to find his son when he gets there Zade says to says to him I want to stay with the prophet Muhammad sallam
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I don't want to go home with you all first 13 years they boycott you dies during the boycot
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ABB dies as well you've lost your protection there are no Democrats to protect you being
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close to no Democrats to protect you and the Republicans hate you Abu sufyan and these guys
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they're coming after you would you have said to the prophet Muhammad do you have to give da every
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day can't we just do it in our homes and tell Abu sufyan that like like why like they're not going
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even going to reflect on it they're not going to appreciate it maybe we should focus on the da in our homes why do you have to go to the Caba and keep talking about it would you have been one
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of those would you have been one of those who told him ya be rational be wise politically
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why do you have to go and Allah in the Quran by the way says we know yeah Muhammad that you
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might be thinking of omitting some of what we have revealed but know that it is to us that you return
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Allah doesn't even say to the prophet wasam you you can hide it he says go and tell them bluntly would you have said y to be honest I'm sick and tired of the the persecution and stuff and to be
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honest you're not giving me a strategy or a road plan it's been 13 years Yol Allah 13 years of the
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same thing new content where is it then they don't even take you seriously Allah they won't even sit
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with you they laugh at you and you keep telling us Allah will give Allah will give Allah 13 years
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not 12 months not 12 months not 15 months not two years not three years 13 years when is it when and
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come suddenly they're shocked and abas tells him you guys you do know if you support the prophet
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Muhammad wasallam you know all of Arabia is going to come against you you know if you go and punish the Democrats Zionist and Trump will come after you hard you know if you stand with him for what's
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right you know he's got no army with him yeah you know the other side has all the the the media on
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their you you know that they they're too they're strong right are you guys mad going to lend your support to the pal to the prophet Muhammad sallallah alaihi wasallam do you know what could
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happen in the next four years if you give him your support and they turn around they say yes we know what we're given to the prophet Muhammad Sall Ali wasallam can you honestly hand on heart when abas
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paints you the picture of the biggest the most powerful tribe and all these other tribes coming
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against you just because a man came from a cave and told you that there is one God and I am his
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messenger and here is my Miracles the proof that is a book not a white light like mam showing it in
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the hand not a staff being thrown and it becoming a snake he tells you I have a book Revelation from Allah wa tala and he says based on this I want you to support me would can you honestly
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hand on her say you would have without hesitation said toam I'm ready to go against the whole world
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when you struggle even to punish a genocide when you won't even suffer anywhere like the O K and
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when AB says it just so my dad doesn't shout at me again like he did last time when I told the story in Michigan when I told the story about how they said yes we're ready for it and I told it before
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but I love telling it because it's a wonderful rebuke for me where you think you know something but you don't and it's very recent as well people always think wisdom you get it and you live it for
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the rest of your life no it comes con constantly the more you interact with people he says to me Sami I said yes Baba he said I heard you tell the story about the I said yes Baba he said but you
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didn't tell the story properly the point of the story you didn't tell it I said babba what did I miss he said abas tells him I said yes bab I said abas tells him the struggle he goes yes I get it
2:28:37
struggle struggle struggle struggle struggle but that's not the point of the story Sami I said then what's the point of the story Baba he says what do they askam after the interaction with abas and I
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went Baba I forgot I had forgotten I'm reading I forgot that particular part I was focused on the struggle part I forgot the other part because I spent my time fouryear plan first year recognition
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second year reflection third year Democrats come and and take your votes or maybe you go third party labor counselor punish Muslim vote Australia Ali hung Parliament Etc you spend your time doing
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the political scenarios he said I see you doing all these political scenarios Etc but I fear Sami in your analysis of it you are forgetting one most important aspect what did they asked after they
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spoke with abas I said Baba I forgot he says my son they asked him what's our reward what's our
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reward if I put up with a struggle because I stood for what's right what's my reward if I do what's
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right and I bear the storm that comes with it what's my reward if I finally say enough is
2:29:41
enough of lesser of two evils what's my reward if I say the world cannot continue as it is even if I
2:29:46
have limited power I'm going to hold my ground and I'm going to do what's right Sam if he had said to
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them that your reward is when you win every khif will come only from you would any Muslim have
2:29:57
objected I said no if he had said to them that 50% of the zakat collected will only be given to the
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Americans because they punish genocide that they will only be given to the descendants of the ansar would Muslims have objected no probably not maybe to Americans but ansar no he said so what did
2:30:15
he say to them what what's their reward you know every saying what's going to happen in four years what happens when do what's our reward if we do what's right what's our reward if we take a stand
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what's our reward if we do what is principled what's our reward if we punish genocide tomorrow
2:30:29
and fight fascism today what's our reward if we are the moral Consciousness what's our reward if we're ready to be like sum if we're ready to be like if we're ready to be like Hamza if we're
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ready to be like J if we're ready to be like those who don't see the Conquering of Mecca what's our
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reward he says your reward is Al Jal you're not halfway through the book and you already
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at the key question if in that moment when he has nothing sallallah alaihi wasallam materially when
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you get to that point and inshallah you get to it maybe on the 16th or the 17th night of Ramadan if you do it properly you'll get to that point on the 20th or 21st night of Ramadan when you get
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to that point bad hasn't come yet you don't know bad is coming you don't know you don't know this
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man has just given you a promise he hasn't shown you what the next four years are going to be like he's given you a promise and ask yourself in that moment would I have been somebody who would say
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toam you are worth it I haven't seen you rich I don't see an army with you to be honest all
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I see is qur doing horrible things to you and you don't have power to react back to them I
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haven't seen you manifest power like the way the Israelis manifest power on the on the Palestinians
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I haven't seen you manifest power the way America manifest power over Europe I haven't seen you manifest power the way China manifest power over Tibet or these other places I haven't
2:31:59
seen you manifest that power but you promise me you have promised me that if I somehow stick
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with you against Rome against America against China against Persia against the the evil of
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these states and if I go to these states instead and tell their people to worship one God and to
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strive so that these people can see the good so that these countries can become good if I strive
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to do this based on your promise of Jenna you're saying I'm going to get Jenna he says yes you'll
2:32:29
get Jenna would that be sufficient for you Jal to say let's go and and and and I don't know if many
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Muslims can say yes to that the reason why I say that is the things that we fear in everyday life
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which are legitimate fears we don't fear them in terms of hesitation we get paralyzed by that fear
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oh why did we do this why did we punish why did we stand we are paralyzed by even though it was the right thing to do and that's why I argue that if you're going to read any book during Ramadan
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read the Quran as you do read the and read the aat that are associated with the events in the s that you have and W you will look at the prophet Muhammad s wasallam very differently you will see
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him not as a soft human being who was weak and was sahaba made him strong you will see him as
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audacious as formidable as as powerful and brave and embodying all the traits that you thought you
2:33:24
had but when you apply yourself to those scenarios you realize you don't actually have those traits at all when you said Sami last year I didn't focus on S because I was focused on the elections do you
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know what a dam an indictment that is to go and pursue that which is right is theal to go and
2:33:39
talk to people on the streets and tell them do that is s to go out and make da and debate and
2:33:44
discuss with people and tell them let's do what's right come let's go to call on them this is s but
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you didn't realize it because s is not what you read in the book The reason I said put yourself in
2:33:55
that position is can you strike a parallel between what happened to the prophet muhammmad wasallam and between what's happening in your life when you see red pill talking about the way Muslims
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should treat women look at the section when the prophet wasam gets the and comes down what does the say he puts his head in the lap of and he says to her cover me cover me cover me if they did not
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know that that man was the prophet Muhammad Sall Ali wasallam these red pill guys and you told them about such a situation may Allah forgive us from any conclusion that these people would reach he
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went and showed love and kindness to his wife where we are starting to preach hardness rights
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and obligations khad covered him and said to him not why are you as a man putting your head in my
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lap she said yeah Muhammad Allah will never humiliate you she put she reassured him yeah
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Muhammad Allah will never humiliate you she didn't emasculate her husband in any way she didn't say
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why is he coming to me so terrified why is he coming to me so fearful the our mother says to
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our beloved Prophet Muhammad s alhi wasallam she says to him Allah will never humiliate you because you're a good man and whatever Mission he has given to you I am with you the whole way which is
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why he never married a second wife when Khadijah was alive and it's why even in her death said
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that W I was jealous of a dead woman because he's that's first 13 years look at your marriage and
2:35:26
look at your wife or look at your husband if they came home in the same circumstances fearful about
2:35:32
something that they didn't fully understand or comprehend would you say man up or would you hold
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them the way a marriage is supposed to be read it and apply it to your daily when bah is being
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abused by qur when he's being abused Abu Bakr goes runs he runs to try and save him do we look and
2:35:52
say somebody else will get involved or do we get involved in our society you know the brother or sister they live just down the street you know they're in Dire Straits you know this one has
2:36:00
domestic violence you know this one has an issue over there the prophet Muhammad sends Abu Bakr to
2:36:05
try and reconcile to try and keep the peace over there to try and help them are you somebody who gets up and says I need to get out quickly I'm going to go these are just the first 13 years
2:36:13
don't think just about the Jihad about bad because you think somehow that makes you feel strong did you know abdah was asked by the people of kufa we wish we were with you on the day of bad he said
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why we were fighting our family why would you wish for such a fitna why would you wish we talk about
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it with Glory because we know Allah delivered the victory but we don't consider what it was like to be the soldier there to see your father on the other side to see your brother on the other side
2:36:41
to see how Allah tested them with that which was dearest to them do not be cocky and arrogant and
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assume you would be because that just shows you haven't understood the when you read it to answer
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your question quite bluntly the S is a terrifying book if you're going into Ramadan expecting Kumbaya don't read it for w when you read the SE of the Prophet Muhammad wasam you realize how
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short we falling and only the promise of Allah in the Quran gives you the reassurance that there's
2:37:11
still time to get up there's still time to make it better there's still time to call your mother who you haven't spoken to for 6 months and tell her M I'm sorry I shouldn't have G gone more than
2:37:19
two days without speaking to you there's still time to get up and invite your brother around for a meal or the like just to reconcile between him there's still time to go and see your in-laws
2:37:27
and reconcile between them there's still time to go out and give charity there's still time to go out and help your neighbor there's still time to do there's still time to boyot there's still time
2:37:36
to protest there's still time to Tik Tok there's still time for social media there's still time to make Netanyahu go and desperately plead for Tik Tok to be banned there's still time to fund those
2:37:46
student encampments and give them Biryani so that they stay there so that they push back against the new University rules there's still time to go and think of a third way that we don't have to accept
2:37:54
the status quo for what it is we can change it the way the prophet Muhammad wasallam changed all of Arabia they were a tribal Society he changed it in one generation it doesn't need to be two
2:38:04
or three generations we don't there's still time every time you have breath tomorrow is a new day
2:38:09
where you can do something when you read the SE of the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam you realize as ham said he said that when I go hunting in the desert I realize God is not kept
2:38:19
in a house the reality is that when you go out you see Allah is everywhere when you are contributing
2:38:25
to the Muslim vote when you are traveling from Canada to go and study when you're coming and doing the camera and I finish on this particular point do not underestimate the value that you give
2:38:33
I remember we went for an event there's a guy doing the audio he looks ridiculously bored as a joke to prove his value as a joke I walked by I told him you know M may Allah reward you you're
2:38:43
really helping to facilitate this so he thought he's like 17y old or 16-year old he thought I was just giving him empty words I thought he wasn't taking me seriously because people think that
2:38:52
I exaggerate the Small Things whereas Allah said those who do even an atom of Good Deed Allah sees
2:38:58
it so as I'm walking by the audio thing I didn't pull the wire out I unplugged it from where he had plugged it on the light and then I put I pulled the cable out and I put a different Cable in and
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made it a different exit on the wire so I've gone to talk on the microphone and no one can hear me
2:39:14
and he's panicking so I've gone again like my mic I'm like is there a problem with the audio problem and they spent 15 minutes trying to fix it when he finally figured out it was the wire he came
2:39:22
and apologized and I told him I'm the one who took the wire out he was like to me what I said yeah I did he goes why I wanted to prove to you that they can't hear my voice without you they can't
2:39:32
I can't do what I do without you you see your role as something little but you are absolutely
2:39:37
essential for me I did it with a camera as well the guy had the camera like a thing and I wanted to he looked so miserable I told him I need you otherwise no one records it so what I did was it
2:39:45
was an atom camera so I changed from a USBC and I made a USB the the two point the the the one
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which is the thick one he spent half an hour msk and his boss is shouting at him and then I had to go and I felt sorry for him I said but boss it's not his fault I'm the one who changed the wire he
2:39:59
looked a bit grumpy I wanted him to realize that he's the one who has the value of it everyone has their value Sal gave the idea of the trench some people are geniuses at boycott some people are
2:40:08
geniuses at Tech some people are geniuses at podcast some people can only talk into a mic some people are good at making mugs with logos that say free Palestine or thinking Muslim or
2:40:16
the like some people are very good at editing stuff that goes viral and gets me in trouble some people are good at doing everybody has why because the reason the world is changing is not
2:40:24
because one man is changing it not because one lady is changing it the resilient community that
2:40:30
punish genocide is moving as one its heart beats as one and when this umah moves One Step Allah
2:40:36
takes 10 steps which is why the ceasefire came and which is why no matter what the US does in Gaza the Palestinians will stand strong Palestine will be free from The River To The Sea because the
2:40:46
umah moves with it the saved us not us saved may Allah continue to use us as vehicles inshallah and
2:40:52
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2:41:02
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