Ep 175. - Why Muslims Should Vote For The Green Party with Dr Jill Stein

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The pro-genocide administration of Biden and Harris has been involved in a frenetic outreach to America’s small but vocal Muslim community. These critical constituents in crucial battleground states like Michigan are where November’s election will be won or lost. Both parties, the Democrats and Republicans, are Zionist to their core, but this genocide has happened with the seal of approval and the consent of the Biden-Harris administration. Is Gaza a turning point? Can we move beyond this two-party nightmare? Are third-party options plausible in a system that approves only two possibilities? Or is voting for anyone but the two bad options a wasted vote? And what of the broader question of the US empire and its propensity to violence? How will this election address what the world observes as an imperium without moral or ethical standards? Today I have a very special guest, Dr Jill Stein, leader of the Green Party and Presidential candidate. Jill is a Harvard educated doctor, an environmentalist, campaigner and organiser.

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Introduction

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a vote for you is in vote for Donald Trump  Israel is a proxy for the US here can I ask  

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you about about M Hassan interview while  he opposes genocide he's all in favor of  

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those committing genocide he's a LAPD dog  to uh to Empire does the green party have  

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a Syria problem I have never expressed  support for Assad the American people   want to end the genocide our children  are not okay unless all children are okay  

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okay there is a new moral compass here  and much of that is coming from the Muslim

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Community the pro genocide administration  of Biden and Harris has been involved in a  

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franatic Outreach to America's small but vocal  Muslim Community these critical constituents  

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in crucial Battleground States like Michigan are  where November's election will be one or lost both  

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parties for Democrats and Republicans are zionists  to the call but this genocide has happened with  

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the seal of approval and the consent of the Biden  Harris Administration is Gaza a turning point can  

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we move Beyond this two-party nightmare our third  party options plausible in a system that approves  

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only two possibilities or is voting for anyone  but the two bad options a wasted vote and what  

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of the broader questions of us Empire and its  propen to violence how will this election address  

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what the world observes as an Imperium without  moral or ethical standards now today I have a  

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very special guest Dr Jill Stein leader of the  green party and presidential candidate Jill is  

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a Harvard educated doctor and environmentalist  campaigner and organizer and she joins us today  

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from San Francisco Dr Jill Stein it's a pleasure  to have you with us and thank you for joining  

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us on the think it Muslim it's such an honor to  be here thank you so much for this conversation  

Is a vote for the Green Party a vote for Trump?

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well it's wonderful I think we've got a lot  of ground to cover uh today so Jill let's   start with what I've really observed uh amongst  the Muslim communities in the United States and  

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Beyond actually and conscientious voters there  is this anger a palpable anger over Gaza and many  

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are pledging their vote to you a third party the  green party now you know that many of your D track  

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argue that a vote for you is a vote for  Donald Trump how would you respond to that  

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you know I think that represents an incredible  presumptuousness by the Democratic party and the  

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Harris campaign that they own your vote that  they somehow own the Muslim vote and that you  

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owe your allegiance to the Democratic party and  what for you know the party that could not even  

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give uh Palestinian voices two minutes on the  stage at the Democratic National uh nominating  

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convention uh where the delegates held their ears  so as not to hear the names of the um you know of  

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the murdered uh on outside of that convention  um you know it's incredibly presumptuous of  

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the democratic party to imply that they own your  vote they have to earn your votes they clearly  

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have not earned them and the notion that a vote  for me is a vote for Trump well actually current  

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polls suggest just the opposite of that in fact  the Muslim American and Arab American community  

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and many other people of conscience have already  left the station they are not going to vote for  

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this Administration that is actively committing  genocide so in fact those votes are already gone  

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and now the question is are these voters going to  Donald Trump or are they going to our campaign so  

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current polls one-sided by Newsweek this week  the other sided by breaking points the um uh  

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the podcast very popular podcast uh they both show  these two polls show in fact that we appear to be  

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taking votes from Donald Trump not from kamla  Harris and uh one of the commentators crystal  

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ball actually observed well maybe it's awfully  presumptuous of us to pretend that politics is  

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so simple that it's one or the other and maybe we  need a little more humility uh and maybe we should  

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back off and not try to manipulate elections you  know and this has been really our point of view  

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from the green party all along as an independent  third party that voters have a right to vote for  

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a candidate that represents their views their  needs their aspirations we have a right to that   vote and if some are concerned that votes might  be taken from another candidate which by the way  

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is what democracy is about we're supposed to  compete for votes candidates are supposed to   compete for your vat so the whole notion is  really a ridiculous framing to start with but  

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even if you subscribe to that then the answer  is not to suppress alternative voices it's not  

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to suppress the voices against genocide the voices  against endless war uh you know the voices against  

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climate catastrophe whatever you know these are  the voices Americans want over 60% of Americans  

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regularly say in polls that they want other voices  and other choices uh in the presidential race so  

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so uh The Simple Solution here is to Simply enact  a voter reform called rank Choice voting which  

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prevents any so-called splitting of the vote any  possibility that you could be casting a wasted  

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vote that would be essentially futile in rank  Choice voting you rank your choices if your first  

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choice loses your vote is basically reassigned to  your second choice so it prevents any possibility  

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of a so-called split Vote or a spoiled election  this is the actual solution if you think that's  

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a problem here's how to solve it and it speaks  volumes that the Democrats refuse to support  

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this system in fact they work very hard to block  it why because they rely on fear and extortion  

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they want to extort your vote rather than win  your vote why do they not want to win your vote  

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and right now kamla Harris could go a long way to  win back Muslim votes if she simply took a stand  

Voters vs Donors

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right now and enacted a weapons embargo to  the state of Israel which is what the people  

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of America want and what Muslim Americans want as  well she could win your vote she has the power to  

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do that but she would rather lose the election  than end uh the genocide and the massacre of  

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children that's going on so you know this is a  refusal of the candidate to basically win your  

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vote because they have donors whether it's APAC  or the weapons uh profiteers they have donors who  

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are who rank number one that's who the Democratic  party and this and the Republican party and these  

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two candidates uh prioritize they prioritize  their donors not their voters that's why they  

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have to eliminate the competition and silence the  competition because these candidates who serve the  

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War Industry who are dedicated to genocide this  is why they cannot actually stand up and fight  

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for your vote because to do so would be to betray  they big money donors um are you giving too much  

Why is Kamala Harris not opposing the Genocide?

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agency to the vice president here Camala Harris  and I was speaking to a black Muslim organizer a  

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couple of days ago and he said to me that um Kamal  Harris is different to Joe Biden but because she's  

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vice president she's not able to voice her her  disagreement with the genocide and um once she  

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is elected uh she will reverse position uh How  likely do you think that is you know I'd say  

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famous last words you know um listen to what I  say not to what I do she could respectfully voice  

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her disagreement uh it's true she cannot overrule  the president but she has a lot of agency as the  

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candidate for president uh there ought to be  a great deal of respect for not only for her  

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opinions but also for her status in the polls but  unfortunately she cannot find a single difference  

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between herself and Joe Biden when actually asked  asked you know the difference she points to is  

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that uh well she'll maybe have a republican in her  candidate in her cabinet you know so she um it's  

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hard to give much agency to her at all because  she will not assert herself and she tends to you  

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know drift with the wind and seek whatever seems  to be popular and convenient at the moment so  

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you know this is the danger of such a candidate a  candidate who's been raising money hand over fist  

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and who has more billionaire donors than ever on  record so what are the odds that she's going to  

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stand up against the interests of uh Wall Street  and the War Machine and the military industrial  

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complex and APAC what are the odds that she's  going to take a principled stand in the future  

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when she has yet to find a principled stand really  across the board uh in the past Dr SE can I ask  

Does the Green Party have a Syria problem?

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you about that Mei Hassan interview uh probably a  couple of months back or a month and a half back  

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um now of course I I think that um medy  probably has a very strong inclination  

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towards the Democrats and we've seen that the  last few weeks but he did raise some uncomfortable  

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questions about Syria um I suppose my question  is does the green party have a serria problem  

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has it in the past dabbled with pro-assad dis  views I don't believe so not that I'm aware you  

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know the green party is uh Vigilant about uh us  interference and us um you know uh manipulation  

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and uh support for uh uh so-called um uh what  do they call them you know the uh more moderate  

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you know terrorists and funding uh Isis so the  green party is very wary of interfering in other  

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governments but I don't believe I have heard the  part party adopt positions uh in support of Assad  

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and our campaign has been accused of taking a  stand for Assad back in 2015 I mean you have to  

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go back to 2015 where a statement was posted on  our website without approval because the issue  

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was controversial within our campaign we were not  going to take a prosad stance but a statement got  

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posted that contained one sentence of support  for assign and when we became aware of that it  

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was taken down uh within approximately a month  or so and we have never I have never expressed  

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support for Assad and you know uh the truth of the  matter is we support human rights we support the  

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sovereignty of the Syrian people actually when I  was at that notorious media conference in Moscow  

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and I had an opportunity to speak on it I  actually took uh Putin to task for uh for  

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his bombing campaign in Syria um out of you know  sympathy to the Syrian people and their right to  

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uh sovereignty and self-determination and to  be free from uh you know human rights abuses  

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and bombing campaigns are horrific uh forms of  you know intervention and Untold thousands of  

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people were killed in that bombing campaign and in  fact the words that I used uh to my recollection  

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was that this was f f following in the footsteps  of misguided US foreign policy where we had you  

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know basically assaulted Iraq and Afghanistan and  had made a complete mess out of these countries  

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through violent intervention violent intervention  is not a pathway to peace or to human rights  

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and sovereignty so we have never and I have never  expressed uh support for Assad though we do indeed  

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caution against uh us Intervention which so often  only makes things worse see if I impress you a  

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little bit more on about I mean the impression  that often we get when we observe some on the  

Oppressive leaders

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left is uh that um uh if there are uh autocrats  or dictators or strong men who are anti American  

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automatically they must be in in the right and of  course uh many of these strong men do oppress and  

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suppress Muslim minorities I mean the Chinese and  the wigos for example or as we said assard and and  

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uh uh but of course also President Putin and and  thechans um can you categorically state that you  

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are not on the side of these people these leaders  these strong men uh who by and large do repress  

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the minorities and many of them are Muslim  minorities yes of course I think you know any  

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leadership has to be taken to task for its  human rights violations you know I think at  

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the same time we're quick to acknowledge that  our government is as Martin Luther King put it  

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the greatest purveyor of violence in the world  today you know and we are certainly guilty of   slaughtering millions of people from Vietnam  to Iraq and Afghanistan so you know I think  

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our criticisms have to be taken with a grain of  salt because we have our own government to account  

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for and hold accountable uh but within that  framework you know recognizing as Martin Luther  

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King said my country is the G greatest purveyor  of violence uh in the world today within that  

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framework yes there are so many other leaders who  are abusing human rights and need to be uh called  

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out for that um how do you understand the position  of Medi Hassen of course he's not here to to  

Mehdi Hasan's position on Kamala Harris

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for himself but medy has uh very strongly argued  against for genocide but at the same time I know  

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you've had conversations with him on Twitter and  elsewhere uh medy has come out in favor of Kamala  

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Harris um like how would you frame his position uh  on on Camala Harris while he opposes genocide he's  

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all in favor of those committing genocide and to  me that is just a a um you know that's that's just  

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a a a non seor you know that just doesn't follow  that you oppose the genocide but you are all out  

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in support of the candidates committing genocide  and you know Donald Trump is has also expressed  

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you know uh full support for that genocide you  know wants Israel to hurry up and finish the   job um but medy Hasan you know so they're both  to my mind they're both greater evils and one  

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cannot parse that uh carel Harris is better she's  actually doing it you know how do you get worse  

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than what we are seeing playing out on our you  know on our cell phones and our computers every  

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day where children are being purposefully shot in  the head you know this is a tactic and a campaign  

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where all possibilities for dialogue and diplomacy  are eliminated when uh Israel is in the business  

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of assassinating the spokes people and the um  negotiators you know I think they negotiated um  

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rather they assassinated most recently the um  uh the Hamas I'm sorry the Hezbollah uh leader  

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um after he had agreed to AAS fire you know then  they assassinated him this is just the height of  

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of treachery barbarism murderousness where wounded  in the hospital on an IV are actually set a flame  

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and are burned alive uh you know where patients  in hospitals are held hostage denied food water  

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medicine uh and their hospitals are under sied  uh not to mention you know the whole population  

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of two and a quarter million people not only  subject to murder but to torture on a daily basis  

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what the people of Gaza are subjected to and now  increasingly uh into Lebanon as well you know is  

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bombardment uh assassination being targeted  um by snipers told they have to flee while  

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being targeted being starved of food and water  and medicine at the same time and shelter and  

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sanitation it's just almost Beyond Comprehension  what is being done and it's not only that hundreds  

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of thousands of people have been murdered it's  that the entire population is subject to torture  

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really on a daily basis it's just Unthinkable  and you know how one can forgive and Overlook  

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the perpetrator the leading perpetrator here  because Israel is a proxy for the US here the  

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US uh is funding this War uh is arming Israel  is providing diplomatic cover uh is providing  

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intelligence so the US does not get a pass here  and the US leadership who are committing these  

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war crimes uh should not get a pass and to me it's  just Unthinkable that medy Hassan goes to the mat  

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here over and over again to try to give kamla  Harris cover she needs to be held accountable  

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and you know he should be part of a movement here  to end the genocide the votes are there you know  

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if people had the courage of their convictions  and that ought to be the responsibility of any   journalist to actually keep the American people  informed of their options and not systematically  

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uh smear and fear camp campaign against candidates  who actually would solve this crisis 68% of  

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Americans want an end to the genocide over 60%  of Americans want a weapons embargo right now in  

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order to force the hand of Israel because Israel  will not go willingly here uh certainly not under   Netanyahu it won't so Medi Hassan is in denial  of the political power of this movement and he  

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seeks to intimidate the movement in into being  some obedient servant of the democratic party  

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and its genocidal interent to me that just it's  it's horrific and it's completely incompatible  

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with Medi Hassan's principal position about the  genocide but he's a complete you know uh he's a  

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lap dog to uh to Empire here he the Press is  supposed to be a watchdog and he's not only  

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not a watchdog he is a lap dog to power here  in his uh uh in his apology in his promotion  

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uh of the genocider and his effort to silence and  intimidate those who would stand up and stop this  

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genocide so to me this is this is a very sad State  of Affairs and the dialogue that took place that  

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was not an interview that was an ambush in which  he systematically sought to shut down our point  

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of view and in particular my point of view that he  was just very quick to cut me off to try to force  

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you know to force me into a corner and to  manipulate my answers um this is not what  

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credible journalism does it's a real shame and  it's been a real eyeopener for many of his Bas  

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he quietly posted that interview he had promoted  certain segments but the whole interview itself  

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went up without any fan flare whatsoever but it  was certainly discovered by his viewers many of  

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whom have now signed off from his uh from his you  know subscribing to his station feeling like this  

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was just um a betrayal of his responsibilities  as a journalist I suppose his argument or at  

How does voting Green Party help Gaza?

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least the argument of his supporters would be  that voting for you will not actually stop the   genocide I mean I think if I'm not mistaken the  last poll I read you're you're polling around two  

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3% um you're not going to win this election so so  so explain the Dynamics of this how would voting  

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for you uh help to put an end to the genocide  so two things you know as Frederick Douglas said  

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power concedes nothing without a demand it never  has and it never will every vote against genocide  

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is a shot across the bow of the Empire to say  that we are here we are not going away we are  

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uh political opposition that opposition is strong  and its voice is growing there's no question that  

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there is majority opposition to the genocide if  it simply votes for the Lesser evil it has been  

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politically disappeared it has been neutralized it  has been disarmed and in fact it has been Twisted  

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into supporting genocide into endorsing and um  enabling genocide so every vote of resistance  

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against genocide helps bring closer the time when  our elected leadership will cave to the reality  

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that the American people oppose this we need to  oppose it with political force and let me say  

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if see they they can keep us to 2 to 3% because  they s us they have you know tried to throw us  

Green Party being contested

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off the ballot they hired their army of lawyers  to use devious and I must say to misuse the law  

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to try to dig up little technicalities in order  to throw us off off the ballot and we have been  

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in court in seven or eight states fighting them  we've ex we've succeeded in all but one and one  

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is still being contested uh but we have largely  succeeded here they tied up our Public Funding  

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in order to prevent us from using money that we  had earned Public Funding in order to meet our  

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various deadlines for the ballot access and they  managed to keep us off the ballot in a couple of  

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states by doing that um in most of those States  we've been able to be on the ballot as a wrin so  

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that con including the rins we are on the ballot  for about 95% of Voters they haven't been able  

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to stop us but this is another way that they try  to silence our opposition and basically um bury  

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us so that there is not awareness in the 2020  election one out of every three eligible voters  

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did not vote for president those voters tend  to be younger of color uh and lower income so  

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exactly the people who are most being thrown under  the bus who are most served by our agenda which  

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calls for cutting the military budget at least  half it's a trillion dollars that uh is misspent  

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every year on this endless war machine we call  for cutting that in half so that we can spend our  

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tax dollars on the emergencies right here at home  instead of spreading chaos death and destruction  

AIPAC is running America

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around the world uh instead we can spend those  dollars on our crises right here fixing the crisis  

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of Health Care the housing emergency the um uh the  education crisis and the fact that some 43 million  

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Americans are stuck into unpayable uh student  debt um we should have higher education for free  

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uh we used to do that in my day growing up we can  certainly do that now there are solutions we can   fix the climate crisis you know but we can't do  that while we're spending all this money on the  

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military the American people are are distraught  polls among young people now in this country show  

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that about 50% of young people say that they  are hopeless about the future 25% of young  

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people uh have have um have considered harming  themselves within two weeks of the last poll this  

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tells us you know you couldn't have a stronger  indicator out there that this is not working   for the American people 50% of all Americans are  struggling not to be evicted they're within one to  

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two paychecks of losing their housing and uh rates  of eviction and homelessness are skyrocketing  

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this country is in very bad shape it's being  managed on behalf of APAC the war profiteers  

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Wall Street the fossil fuel industry you know big  powerful special interests are profiting hand over  

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right now while poverty rates among children have  actually tripled so this country is being thrown  

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under the bus there is enormous political will and  because of those one out of every three voters who  

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would vote for an agenda like ours which is an  agenda for everyday working people the Democrats  

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are terrified that word is getting out about this  they're not just worried about that two or three  

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you know percent in swing States they're worried  about votes all over that could flip could flip   in a big way and you know while I'm not holding  my breath we're going to win this election on the  

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other hand I don't rule out that there could be uh  real unintended or unforeseen developments in this  

The Responsibility of a Third Party

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race you know Israel has announced you know many  times over that it's about to attack Iran in at  

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least one of those statements they've said that  this will happen before the election if Israel   attacks Iran and we know that the uh nuclear  sites are also in their Target hairs which is  

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you know a horrific violation of international  law and an extremely dangerous thing uh Iran  

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is in a military alliance with Russia and Russia  has also expressed grave concern about Israel's  

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intention to attack Iran and especially to attack  the nuclear facilities is it not possible that we  

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will be in a war with Iran escalating towards  a potential Global um conflict that could  

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potentially go nuclear as well and by the way the  draft is back in this country the draft is back  

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and Men between the ages of 18 and 25 are already  signed up for the draft they don't know about it  

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or many don't know about it those that I've talked  about it are completely unaware that they are uh  

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in the Target hairs of The Selective Service and  all it takes is for the president to declare we're  

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at War and we need boots on the ground in fact  he's already pledged boots on the ground Israel  

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has already been given the Baton the Baton has  been passed for being commanderin-chief of this  

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country the US has said Israel can do what it  wants and that uh the US will be there to support  

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them including boots on the ground and in addition  to 5,000 servicemen and women with each of the  

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aircraft carrier battle groups one stationed  off of Iran the other now stationed off the west  

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coast of Gaza so those are 10,000 uh Americans  right there there are another 40,000 American  

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uh servicemen and women who were stationed in  the Middle East who are all very much uh in the   Target hairs of this growing rapidly escalating  conflict another 100 which were sent maybe two  

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weeks ago with the new uh missile defense system  that's being given to Israel because Israel is  

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completely defenseless here Israel cannot defend  itself and it certainly cannot conduct the war  

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not even the war that it has on Gaza but just  expanding that war even to Lebanon you know  

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Israel is not accustomed to a long War Israel's  accustomed to a Six-Day War or maybe a six week   war and that's about it so Israel is in extremely  precarious circumstances right now recent poll  

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I heard about says that one out of every three  Israelis is intent on leaving and in the process  

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of leaving Israel their economy is in a shambles  uh their tourist industry of course has completely   Gau under so Israel is in very desperate  States it needs the US the US is entirely um  

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shares full responsibility here with Israel which  is basically its proxy and the American people are  

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in the Target hairs of this war so I just want to  make the point that really dramatic things could  

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spin out of control very quickly and it's exactly  in that kind of circumstance where you can see the  

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electorate flip on a dime and those one out of  three voters who aren't voting are not voting uh  

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to some extent because they don't know that there  is a campaign that is standing out for them if if  

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events were to happen if the news cycle were to  go in a direction that basically lifts up our  

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campaign as the only anti-war anti-genocide  pro-worker in climate emergency campaign we  

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could see the vote change there are three Pro  genocide candidates on the ballot RFK is still  

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on the ballot in many states you could see the pro  genocide proar vote split three ways you could see  

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an informed electorate coming out to support  our anti-war anti-genocide pro-worker campaign  

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and in a four-way split an election can be one  with as little as 26% that's not an impossible  

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movement of the electorate even overnight if the  country were suddenly to be in a full-blown war  

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and if the draft were uh potentially about  to be reactivated if there was talk of boots  

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on the grounds if there was a real um you know uh  devastating conflict and it's hard to imagine how  

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this conflict will not be devastating um so you  know I just want to make a point that elections  

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are unpredictable Affairs and you know part of  what you do as an independent third party is you  

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wait for the moment you know and that's a moment  that depends on forces much bigger than you but  

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you have to be ready as a political force to stand  up and fight back and you have to begin that fight  

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at your soonest opportunity you know it's not  just uh an opportunity it's a responsibility if  

30:35

we want a world that can survive for our children  considering the risks of nuclear war not only in  

30:40

the Middle East but also in um uh in Taiwan and  China and also uh with Russia and Ukraine you  

30:47

know the US mindset is to basically blow it up you  know and and to resort to violence as a first uh  

30:56

uh as a first Resort rather than as a last resort  we're going to war all over the place you know   according to the um Congressional research service  the US has sent its military into other countries  

31:09

Uninvited 250 times in the last three decades  we have conducted 80 regime change operations  

31:18

since the uh second world war you know so this  is a country that as Martin Luther King says you  

31:24

know is a massive surveyor of violence and our  instinct in the instincts of our leadership who  

31:30

are warmongers and have been warmongers and war  criminals uh their instincts are precisely um the  

31:39

opposite of what they should be right now we're in  the nuclear age and you cannot do that you need to   negotiate first and you know you need to use you  need to exhaust all other options and you should  

31:49

not be conducting war in order to maintain uh  military and economic domination over the world  

31:56

which is basically you know the ration now for  US foreign policy also known as full spectrum  

32:01

dominance we can come back to that if we need to  but the instincts are all wrong and they need to  

32:07

be challenged uh publicly and especially now so  where we would come out in this election would  

32:13

be totally different if we were included in the  dialogue if there was a real debate here uh if the  

32:20

American people knew that there is a campaign  across the country for 90% of Voters a choice  

32:28

uh in this election there is such a campaign that  actually is advocating for the solutions that the  

32:34

American people are absolutely desperate for  right now Dr SE I mean that's you know very  

32:40

very convincing um uh to build a third party  that's going to have longevity you obviously  

Building a Third Party for the American people

32:47

need to build a base and I've come across a good  number of Muslims uh who almost describe the vote  

32:54

they're going to give to you and it seems to  me that a large majority maity a plurality of   Muslims will give the green party the vote  but they describe it as they're lending the  

33:03

vote to the green party in in a sense you haven't  quite convinced them that their long-term home is  

33:08

within the green party now um I have come across  for example the mayor of hamrak I mean he's made  

33:14

a very naive decision I think to to support Donald  Trump but one of his reasons for supporting Donald  

33:20

Trump was to site uh social concerns and um um  I suppose my question here is that how can you  

33:27

re assure voters that uh your position your  version of pluralism incorporates a a respect  

33:36

for religious attitudes yes and and let me say I  don't think anyone should be uh manipulated into  

33:45

making premature commitments to any candidate or  political party um I think it's much clearer about  

33:55

what's going on in this race and in that sense I  think it is uh absolutely you know it is uh kind  

34:04

of a no-brainer strategy I think that those who  oppose genocide need to be supporting our campaign  

34:10

in order to you know build uh political momentum  and give voice to a real political movement here  

34:18

that has legs and Longevity and that is a movement  against genocide and endless war because they're  

34:26

kind of inseparable so so that much I think is a  um that's a partnership right now that makes every  

34:33

sense uh you know imaginable for us to partner  in this election and I think this is a very  

34:40

important get to know you moment and there are  some who've been with us there are some Muslims  

34:46

and arab-americans who have sought us out from  the very beginning have become major um advisers  

34:53

and uh uh operators really within the campaign  uh have begun political uh parties themselves  

Muslims in the Green Party

35:02

there is a new chapter of the green party in  Dearborne Michigan for example and uh really  

35:07

all over the country now we are seeing uh Muslim  Americans and Arab Americans who have really  

35:13

join the fabric of the green party and it is a  wonderful uh thing to behold because uh we bring  

35:19

different skills to the table and uh it's a very  powerful and empowering partnership and I think  

35:28

the uh future looks very bright uh for this  partnership I think there's a very deep um  

35:37

uh uh convergence of values and Views here and  while there are many in the green party who regard  

35:45

themselves as atheists there are I would say even  more who regard themselves as humanists who have  

35:53

some kind of spiritual beliefs or practices and  you universally there is great regard for uh the  

36:02

Muslim religion and the experience of uh Muslims  around the world their political experience their  

36:10

political wisdom for having been uh up close and  personal uh in Empire knowing the abuses of Empire  

36:20

overseas and then knowing the abuses of Empire  here in this country abusing the civil liberties  

36:26

uh with the islamophobia um you know and uh the  targeting the surveillance Etc where Muslims are  

36:36

you know the canary in the Min shaft but all of us  and especially political uh opponents of Empire we  

36:43

are on the receiving end of this as well and uh  there's enormous Common Ground Among Us in our  

36:50

campaign I am running as you know with a uh an  African a black uh African-American Muslim uh  

36:59

man and together with a white Jewish woman uh we  have the bases covered I must say on many issues  

37:08

including a lot of questions about religion  and respect for religious diversity and so on  

37:14

so this is a um I think it's a very empowering um  uh combination and conversation and we will all be  

37:24

changed by this there's no doubt about that there  will be influence you know the green party is not  

37:30

a um you we are not a top- down organization we  are a bottomup organization and you know our four  

37:37

pillars are you know Grassroots democracy social  justice nonviolence and ecological wisdom and I  

37:45

think that fits pretty well with Muslim values uh  as I've been introduced to them so I think there  

37:52

is within the uh you know within the key values  of the green party there's a lot lot of room for  

37:58

growth and understanding uh and dialogue so I am  extremely encouraged by the kinds of uh Coalition  

38:07

building that I'm witnessing and it is such a um  I have to say it's so exciting um the green party  

38:15

was founded you know generation Generations ago  you know maybe one generation ago but there's um  

38:22

there's been a real need for an infusion of young  people with uh with a contemporary vision and I  

38:30

think opposing genocide and Empire and standing up  for uh a climate and social justice and fairness  

38:38

to workers um we need the energy of the younger  generation to lead the way that's always been true  

38:44

you know throughout history in social movements  it's always been young people who have been at  

38:49

the front lines pushing the envelope and that's  certainly what's going on right now uh in opposing  

38:55

the genocide and watching greens grow with this  now has been really kind of a you know a Wonder  

39:03

to behold to see our communities coming together  across lines of religion and history and ethnicity  

39:11

and and race it's really exciting and I must say  there are a lot of African-Americans now you know   who are ve and Indigenous Americans as well who  are very identified with this struggle against  

39:21

genocide uh in Palestine and that Community as  well has been really reinvented erated uh right  

39:28

now politically and it is the objective of Empire  to keep us divided and conquered and I think it is  

39:36

such a strategic move so timely and essential for  us to be coming together for our higher vision and  

39:43

and the necessity of building political power at  this very critical moment in history can I ask you  

5% of The Popular vote

39:50

a question about the 5% Mark so I've heard from a  number of people that if the Green Party receive  

39:58

5% of the popular vote then they have access  to all sorts of funding and they get greater  

40:04

recognition within the system can you spell out  what that recognition is and and why that 5% is  

40:10

so important for you yes so if you are a newcomer  to the political process like say Dr West when he  

40:17

decided to go independent you have to collect  about a million signatures and um at today's  

40:23

rates you know unless you have a well-organized  base that's across the country and even if you do  

40:29

have volunteers around the country you need people  to manage them so the cost per signature nowadays  

40:35

is about $10 you know so if if you're going to get  10 million uh a million signatures at the cost of  

40:42

$10 you know what's $10 million out the door right  there and then you usually have staff to add on to  

40:47

that as well so it's just uh uh it's it's daunting  what you have to do if you're starting over if  

40:54

you're in the race uh and already have ballot  status um and you're already on the ballot then  

41:04

you're ahead of the game to collect a million  signatures it'll take you at least nine or 10   months unless you're RFK and you have big money  donors from APAC from uh billionaire you know  

41:16

running mates and so on then you have corporate  money and maybe super Pacs and you can buy your  

41:21

way into the race greens don't do that we do not  use any of the loopholes for legalized corruption  

41:28

you can't sit down and write a million dollar  check to a green you can do that to basically   all the other candidates I don't believe Dr West  uh or the uh or or Claudia and Karina from PSL but  

41:40

you know uh Biden or rather Harris Trump RFK and  a Libertarian you can write a million dooll check  

41:48

through their special arrangements and that comes  with strings attached they may not be explicit  

41:54

but they're implicit and if you are a recipient of  the million dollars you know what the interests of   your of your Doner are um the greens don't engage  in that we follow the plain old-fashioned rules  

42:05

um the limits for ordinary Mortals of $3,300 per  election that's a lot of money for most people  

42:13

but it's not much compared to a million dollars  and through super Pacs you can contribute more   than that there are no limits whatsoever through  super Pacs and we totally disavow uh super Pacs  

42:23

uh entirely so we don't play with that stuff we  are basically what um everyday people um you know  

42:31

want who funds you runs you and we uh reject all  that you know legalized corruption so we are about  

42:42

what uh the everyday people you know are really  clamoring for so that's why we have an agenda  

42:51

which is of by and for the people period that's  why our values are you know really lead the way  

42:59

our values are popular values they are people's  values uh we adopted our position on on uh Israeli  

43:08

apartheid occupation and ethnic cleansing back  in the year 2006 we took a position in favor of  

43:15

boycott divestment and sanctions at that time we  are not new to this we are not uh fair weather  

43:21

friends here uh we are not opportunists this  is who we are and what we we say is what we do  

43:29

because all we have are the people we don't have  big money donors so there's no one else for us  

43:35

to abandon say Muslims uh on behalf of we're not  going to abandon this cause uh to stop genocide  

43:43

to um uh to challenge APAC uh we are not going  to abandon our opposition to uh Wall Street and  

43:53

the war machine this is who we are and you know  we very much forward to the continuing dialogue  

44:00

uh with Muslim Americans and to moving forward  together uh and seizing this moment um uh where  

44:10

we actually do have a majority if you look at  where the power is we have the majority who wants  

44:16

healthc care as a human right who want uh an who  want affordable housing who want a green New Deal  

44:23

and jobs that will transition our economy to the  um sustainable and Equitable uh economy and future  

44:31

that we deserve so what we say is what we do we  very much see eye to eye with Muslim Americans  

44:39

on so many things and we very much look forward to  continuing to grow the political movement together  

Dr Stein's vision of American power?

44:46

uh can I ask you a question about American power  in world now you've made it very clear about uh  

44:51

American Empire American power is usually a cause  for for for bad in the world it doesn't create a  

44:59

world which is uh the type of world that you  envisage um uh then tell me where do you see  

45:06

the position of America in the world um would the  world be better without the exercise of American  

45:13

power like paint me a picture of the America you  desire and the America you want yes so let me  

45:19

say very simply about foreign policy we need to  move from a monopolar world or a unipolar world  

45:27

dominated by one imperial Force to a multi-polar  world you know I think that's not rocket science  

45:34

there are other economic forces and military  forces in the world right now we need to work  

45:40

collaboratively uh we need to be adults in the  room together working according to international  

45:46

law human rights and diplomacy the US you know uh  mode of operating right now is through economic  

45:53

and Military domination a policy that was formerly  named full spectrum dominance we dominate every  

45:59

sphere of potential competition or conflict and  we we prevent even Regional powers from rising to  

46:07

Regional dominance that has been the uh you know  the the guidelines of American foreign policy  

46:14

since the fall of the Soviet Union and this is not  workable especially because we are no longer the  

46:20

dominant power we're not the dominant economic  power you know we see bricks which is in the  

46:25

process of enlarging right now and you know having  started with five it's now like 12 members I think  

46:32

and then many uh Partners as well so there are  rising um uh economic powers and collaborations  

46:41

that we have not been friendly to whatsoever so  we need to uh uh cease and desist from attempting  

46:49

to dominate and become a player in a multi-polar  world operating according to international law  

46:56

you know we've been substituting for international  law with uh what we call a rules-based order whose  

47:01

rules our rules rules that change from situation  to situation we need to subscribe to the body of  

47:07

international law yes there are some things that  do need Improvement like the security Council for   the United Nations needs to be democratized there  are improvements that need to be made that can  

47:16

be made um you know so we can move to a foreign  policy that's going to work for all of us and the  

47:22

America that I see stops squandering half of its  Congressional Budget on the endless war machine uh  

47:29

and puts those dollars back into the needs of the  American people and which also takes a uh the role  

47:38

of of humanizer and of supporting human rights  uh and the helping Nations meet especially the  

47:47

poor nations of the global South meet the Urgent  needs of the climate crisis which we have been  

47:53

really the major contributor to historically we  have contributed did the greatest burden of of  

47:58

greenhouse gases so we need to be a responsible  player here that assists uh the less fortunate  

48:05

in the global Community because we are still the  wealthiest Nation uh around the world throughout  

48:12

the course of world history we have enormous  wealth and resources and we need to use them  

48:18

for the betterment of the American people and  to support uh the world in which we live because  

48:24

these two are interacting you know if you look  at the migration crisis that this country is   experiencing um our approach is that the most  important thing we can do to stop the migration  

48:34

crisis is to cease causing it in the first place  through very misguided and harmful US policies  

48:42

from endless war regime change operations uh  economic neocolonialism like in Haiti we overthrew  

48:49

the democratically elected uh um president of  Haiti twice arised we overthrew him twice and  

48:56

after he was overthrown the Secretary of State  Hillary Clinton came in and reversed the minimum  

49:03

wage law which had raised minimum wages in Haiti  from a mere 30 cents an hour to a mere 60 cents an  

49:11

hour our government our secretary of state pushed  that back in order to do a favor and let the um  

49:20

the clothing manufacturers reap maximum profits  by exploiting labor you know this unfortunately  

49:26

is the rule not the exception we overthrew the  um the the democratically elected government  

49:32

of Iran you know way back in the 1950s because  Iran was going to nationalize its oil and use  

49:38

its national resources for the benefit of its  people rather than for um British Petroleum  

49:44

and the United States who came in and overthrew  him and substituted you know this uh absolutely  

49:50

murderous uh dictator the shaw of Iran and  we kept him in power uh you know for uh for  

49:56

decades same thing in Guatemala we overthrew their  government uh on behalf of United Fruit so that  

50:04

the peasants uh would not be um the recipients  of redistributed land to enable them to support  

50:10

themselves you know so the US has played this role  uh throughout history and uh that is not the kind  

50:17

of world we want that does not win us friends  and influence people again we need to move from  

50:24

a monopolar world that um you know is dominating  uh in dominating economies and uh military such  

50:34

that we are driving migration crisis you know  so we're looking at migrants from Haiti we're  

50:39

looking at migrants from uh from Guatemala from  South America in particular also the drug wars uh  

50:46

America's War on Drugs also empowers their drug  cartels and it's the violence of those cartels  

50:52

then that are driving you know many people to  come to this country fleeing the violence you  

50:58

paint a a picture of America which I think will  sound like music to most of our ears outside of  

Where do Ordinary Americans stand?

51:04

America but how much is your uh view your vision  of America shared by American people because from  

51:10

out from the outside we tend to get um a very  skewed understanding of the American electorate  

51:16

the American population and their proclivity  I suppose to American militancy if that's the  

51:22

right way to phrase it um how much is what you  say shared by ordinary Americans for that I think  

51:29

the most telling um statistic really is to look at  Americans opposition to the genocide and American  

51:38

support for actually a weapons embargo right now  so what you hear from the political parties what  

51:45

you hear from the political class the political  Elites is not the American people the American  

51:51

people want to end the genocide they want a  weapons embargo on Israel to enforce that end they  

51:56

want to cut the military budget poll after poll  shows that Americans do not support catastrophic  

52:02

war after catastrophic War that's why we have  this you know this uh corporatized media which  

52:09

is you know n chonky called it um manufacturing  consent you know consent is manufactured through  

52:16

uh propaganda this is why our campaign is shoved  out of the way because we are a very Inconvenient  

52:21

Truth uh and a very inconvenient um you know  blockade to manufacturing consent truth is a  

52:28

very powerful thing it's hard for people to  mobilize to do the right thing unless there's   someone out there and that's not necessarily a  candidate you know it's it's the students who  

52:37

are out there on the campuses and that's why their  heads are being bashed in you know and this is not   happening you know the the bashing of those heads  is not happening incidentally that's not happening  

52:47

because the American people want it that's because  you know the American uh Power class is sold out  

52:53

they are sold out to the military-industrial  complex they are sold out to APAC you know so  

52:58

the um the messages that are being broadcast in  this country and from this country around the  

53:04

world do not reflect where the American people are  you really have to dig to find that you know you   really have to be looking at Independent Media uh  systematically you have to be really searching the  

53:14

polls and they often don't ask these questions  because they don't want the uh you know the   responses to be um in the public domain but over  and over again when the American people are given  

53:24

a choice they don't want to be at War and the uh  the genocidal war going on in Gaza right now is  

53:30

an example if you pull the American people about  expanding this war and potentially uh globalizing  

53:36

it and potentially allowing it to go nuclear uh  on behalf of protecting Israel's right to commit  

53:42

genocide you know the American people would be  absolutely up in arms about this especially if  

53:48

they were reminded or even informed that the draft  is here and they are in the Target hairs of that  

53:54

draft and if this war explodes uh we are not only  then paying in dollars we're paying in blood uh  

54:01

for this genocide and that could happen and the  American people is are opposed to this so you know  

54:07

the American people want Health Care as a human  right they want a solution they want rent control  

54:12

they want uh you know they want affordable  housing to be built again it was under Bill   Clinton that that uh public housing was brought to  an end under Democrat Bill Clinton the program of  

54:23

public housing was stopped with a thing called the  fair CLA amendment that prevents public dollars be   from being spent on on public housing and Europe  is building quality mixed income um affordable  

54:36

housing the US doesn't do that we subsidize luxury  housing and then take a little tiny fraction of it  

54:41

uh to be affordable the American people are hungry  for uh for what our campaign is offering and also  

54:48

likewise for a solution to the climate crisis  overwhelmingly the American people want that right  

54:53

now so we offer solution after solu ution and  that includes backing off of this Imperial foreign  

55:01

policy that shoots first and asks questions later  the American people don't want this they want to  

55:08

bring our dollars back to take care of our urgent  problems here this is why our voices are kept out  

55:13

of this dialogue because when people hear this I  mean take a look at the comments on The Breakfast  

55:19

Club so The Breakfast Club which is a very popular  um uh uh podcast a video podcast especially viewed  

55:28

by African-Americans so um uh Butch where my  running mate and myself were interviewed we were  

55:35

really and set up for an ambush by a talking head  with the usual you know ridiculous uh propaganda  

55:43

which we shot down very quickly and if you read  the comments there are over 20,000 comments right  

55:48

now if you look at the full posting it's just  mindboggling to see comment after comment is  

55:54

I was not going to vote in election now I am  registering green and I am voting for uh Stein  

56:01

wear people have been so hungering for this you  know this is why the Democrats are coming out  

56:07

with their advertising campaign because they are  very terrified that the cat should get out of the  

56:13

bag that the American people have other options  coming into this race over 60% of Americans in  

56:19

the Gallop poll prior to this race over 60% were  saying they want another choice in this election  

56:26

because the two that we have are doing such  a horrible job of serving the public interest  

56:31

so we see this over and over again the American  people are hungering for what we don't have it's   very important not to be swayed by the propaganda  that's out there this propaganda of powerlessness  

56:42

in fact we the people are not powerless we are  powerful and as Alice Walker said the biggest  

56:48

way people give up power is by not knowing we  have it to start with we have it it's time to use  

56:54

it because we ourselves we're all in the Target  hairs you know um James bald said that uh sorry  

57:01

all children everywhere belong to all of us you  know and the children in Gaza are the you know  

57:09

fundamental um illustration of that they belong to  all of us it's time for us to change uh business  

57:17

as usual here it's time for us to change American  politics so that we can step up and actually serve  

57:24

the children of the world which are our children  as well and our children are not okay unless all  

57:29

children are okay the world is just too um  interdependent a place right now and people  

57:36

flow between countries and we share an atmosphere  and water and oceans and food and an economy we  

57:43

are too connected now to be at Eternal war with  each other or to have leadership who cannot see  

57:52

how we are interconnected and interdependent and  who can step up to the plate and leave behind them  

57:58

their war criminal uh instincts and background  and training uh we need to really throw those  

58:04

bums out they need to be in the he not in the  white house uh we need to be stepping up to um  

58:10

Embrace and demand an America and a world that  works for all of us if it doesn't work for all  

58:16

of us fundamentally it's not going to work for any  of us and you would like to see Joe Biden in the   H I would like to see him face Justice yeah good  think all war criminals all the major enablers of  

58:30

this genocide should face Justice I've just heard  an informal report that Israel just hit Iran so  

58:36

you know this could be unfolding as we speak I  don't know you know there have been um a lot of  

58:41

indicators that this is going to happen and it  and it occurred and no one knows where this is   going to go yeah um I think it's not too soon for  us to stand up and demand that voices of reason  

58:53

and Justice be heard and that we stand up for the  politics we deserve uh God knows where this could  

58:59

go in the blink of an eye you know we've been  on an escalation ladder uh for decades really  

59:05

um but you know certainly for the last year BB  Netanyahu has been attempting to drag us into um  

59:12

you know a devastating War potentially a nuclear  war and um we need to stand up and be heard and  

59:18

to fight for a world we can survive in and that  our children can survive in Dr Jin it's really  

59:24

been a pleasure speaking to you and I hope uh you  can make a dent in this two-party nightmare thank  

It's Not Too Late

59:30

you very much for your time today thank you and  it's Jill stein2 24.com for those who'd like to  

59:35

know more it's not too late the future's in our  hands thank you so much you've got a publishing  

59:40

schedule I was speaking to Sam and it's uh you're  you're uh you're traveling from City to City at  

59:46

the moment oh yeah and then we're either doing  in we're either doing uh events or we're doing  

59:53

interviews and I don't have a half hour hour to  like do a laundry or you know do anything I'm I'm  

1:00:00

eating on the Run constantly um it would be hard  to maintain this for very much longer so you know  

1:00:08

but on the other hand it would be impossible not  to just give this my all right now you know it  

1:00:16

feels like this is our chance to stand up and  fight this horrific genocide and and the the  

1:00:23

response that's happening right now feels nothing  nothing short of miraculous um I've never been in  

1:00:29

a situation before where uh people total strangers  are coming up to me bursting out in tears and  

1:00:36

greeting me with hugs like I'm a member of their  immediate family the uh the passion that's going  

1:00:43

into this campaign right now against enormous um  uh demonization the effort to criminalize us you  

1:00:52

know right and left uh the Democrats are pulling  out every dirty trick in the book in the book you  

1:01:00

know uh to try to silence me to intimidate me to  get me to drop out um and to intimidate voters to  

1:01:07

stop them from voting for justice and for a future  we deserve there's so much fear campaigning going  

1:01:13

on especially about Donald Trump he's terrible  but um uh so is you know so is um uh KLA Harris  

1:01:21

absolutely terrible and you know so I I couldn't  I couldn't hold myself back you know I was uh  

1:01:29

recruited to run this race when I had other plans  my family had other plans um so you know I want to  

1:01:35

make the most of every minute here it feels to me  you know uh as I've been saying now in in some of  

1:01:41

our our Gatherings uh as Martin Luther K King said  the arc the moral Arc of the universe is long but  

1:01:49

it bends towards Justice it feels right now like  we are in one of those moments where the universe  

1:01:54

is bending it's bending because it has to it's  bending because we have a genocide on our hands  

1:02:00

but as a consequence of that genocide the moral  universe is changing and you know and there is a  

1:02:07

new moral compass here and much of that is coming  from the Muslim Community and the arab-american  

1:02:14

community and we are forever changed um I think in  a way that uh gives us a real fighting chance for  

1:02:25

uh peace and Justice and a world that's going to  work for all of us but it feels to me almost like   physically that the universe is bending right now  and we can feel it bending uh inside of us in a  

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way that is quite transformational really I think  we're we're eternally gratitude grateful to you  

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for for what you've done and and for your stance  on on Gaza and I think um you know I'm I'm not a  

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voter and I'm I'm an outsider of course but um  uh people are talking about you here it's it is  

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you know it's a conversation here the green party  so you know the Muslim Community of course speaks   to um their relatives abroad and and it's very  clear to me that the message is getting through  

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I do think so and I don't remember if I said it  in this interview or the prior ones but you know  

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I grew up after the Holocaust uh you know in a  genocide of Jews when our community was asking  

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is there life after genocide you know I wasn't  because I was young I didn't feel the genocide   but people around me were pretty horrified about  it um and I was taught you know that when you see  

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something wrong you have to stand up and fight  it you know and that that uh you know that we  

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have to hold everyone accountable just not just  the perpetrators of genocide but the bystanders  

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to genocide you cannot be a bystander to genocide  or anything else so that's why I became a social  

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activist and I grew up ated to the proposition  that genocide will not happen again certainly  

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not on my watch and I never expected to actually  see our country committing that genocide and that  

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blood on our hands and it made it impossible for  me not to step up when it became clear that that  

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having an anti-genocide candidate in the race and  an anti-genocide voice was going to depend on the  

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green party using his ballot lines so I had helped  recruit a candidate a wonderful candidate Dr West  

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to be that you know to to be our representative  and use our ballot lines but when he decided he  

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would rather run independent I knew there's no  way first time out of the starting date that  

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you're going to get on a ballot unless you're  selling your soul and you've got billionaire   donors uh a principled uh anti-war anti-genocide  candidate is not going to be buying their way  

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onto the ballot um so was going to depend on the  green party uh if we were going to have a strong  

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voice to truly challenge Empire and to fight the  genocide in this election so I felt like I had no  

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choice you know I had to stand up because I made  this commitment above all to my mother who was  

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most disturbed about this in my family I made that  commitment that I would stand up when I saw wrong  

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happening in the world I you know that would  be my job you know and that's why I became a  

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medical doctor you know I was going to serve and  help you know help write the wrongs and now the  

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greatest wrong imaginable fell into the lap of  our party which was really going to be the only  

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way we could bring this front and center into  the election so that's why I could not say no  

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although there were a lot of people telling me I  should say no I should not stand up I could not  

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conscience doing that and you know this is just  once you see this you can't not see it yeah so  

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we got to fix it thank you thank you so much I'm  I'm we're just so appreciative of your efforts  

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and and what you've done so thank you so much um  for your time today pleasure wonderful talk with

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